Abyssea: Useful jobs and Useless jobs. Your opinions on why.

[MarkovChain]

Inside abyssea it is all about procing, easy lowman farm only cares about yellow for farming.

Just to be clear I never claim brd is any useful inside abyssea, but saying they are useless because because of yellow proc is quite dumb. The only reason to bring a brd is to double killing speed through double march which means you must kill a lot of mobs in the first place. If you camp a mob that has 15' respwan well /facepalm and there is no better melee than another (lol blu who cares about one line of spells when mobs have 15' respawn and a non zero chance to drop).

while farming for KI you want war or nin/pld, a nin/pld has the capacity to proc 10/13 reds.

How is that any where close to efficient ? Do you have any idea how long farming some pops are ? 13/13 or bust. 100% chance of proc'ing beats anything and is the only way to go when at least duoing/trioning. If all the ws you brought missed then warp and change to one of the fail job's ws that you missed (probably drk - sam). And no, if you don't do it wrong you don't care about light. I've been in abyssea for a few weeks and 60 stones are sitting on the npc.

buff jobs do not do much because of atma, some jobs would benift from the extra atttack or haste, mages dont really need refersh support but you can use buffs to pad damage for them.

So much wrong in here. COR was already useless out of abyssea at 75 because dia3 and generic attack food put you nearly at cap. Abyssea only slightly confirmed this. As for brd I'm sorry but double march is about as much damage as Gnarled horn+razed ruins. It's just that you are starting to realize how much having an extra spot in your party is not productive most of the time, just like at 75, and that duo or trio is better, this is nothing abyssea-specific.

a RDM is almost useless in abyssea because cure IV, same with SCH.

Probably because you consider RDM a healer ? It never was and whm has always been superior. RDM is great for addle/phalanx2/debuffs (very usefull on anything casting magic as you are eating damage until !! procs). RDMs can probably change to blm for yellow procs at times or proc various ws if needed, they are also likely to have whm leveled, they are unbeatable for cleave farming etc ...

one thing with bringing a support job like brd is that they have to boost 4 people enough to outdo 5 people. in abyssea
most of the time the 5 wars would do more damage esp when farming normal mobs or FC aoe farming.

That's funny. Who cleaves with 5 wars and what do you cleave, I'm interested.

PLD cannot tank in abyssea for the most part without emp weapons. you need to deal damage to keep hate, that simple. It is possible for other jobs to get to the MDT cap if needed, max shell V helps..

You must be new to FFXI. PLD sucked on about anything.

[Leonlionheart]

Probably because you consider RDM a healer ? It never was and whm has always been superior. RDM is great for addle/phalanx2/debuffs (very usefull on anything casting magic as you are eating damage until !! procs). RDMs can probably change to blm for yellow procs at times or proc various ws if needed, they are also likely to have whm leveled, they are unbeatable for cleave farming etc ...

RDM still less useful than filling that spot with a BRD considering addle/phalanx2/debuffs are generally useless when MNK can counter tank everything and carols/bar will reduce all magical damage to much much less threatening. RDM is better if your using a THF though, since -ga's will probably wipe their HP completely without a good MDT set.

[Rambus]

RDM still less useful than filling that spot with a BRD considering addle/phalanx2/debuffs are generally useless when MNK can counter tank everything and carols/bar will reduce all magical damage to much much less threatening. RDM is better if your using a THF though, since -ga's will probably wipe their HP completely without a good MDT set.

THAT i will agree on, hell SCH can do phalanx better or even make rdm aoe phalanx , phalanx II is pretty useless

[MarkovChain]

RDM still less useful than filling that spot with a BRD considering addle/phalanx2/debuffs are generally useless when MNK can counter tank everything and carols/bar will reduce all magical damage to much much less threatening. RDM is better if your using a THF though, since -ga's will probably wipe their HP completely without a good MDT set.

addle is useless but carol is useful, I don't get it. And no you don't "counter tank" anything, the times where you actually counter tank anything are small seeing as you spent 090% of your time procing doh. An when procing you don't counter because you don't want to kill it, simple.

[Leonlionheart]

addle is useless but carol is useful, I don't get it. And no you don't "counter tank" anything, the times where you actually counter tank anything are small seeing as you spent 090% of your time procing doh. An when procing you don't counter because you don't want to kill it, simple.

Wut. You sound so dumb right now.