Abyssea: Useful jobs and Useless jobs. Your opinions on why.

[Leonlionheart]

Since when can Stonega IV do 3.2k+ damage? Does the melee not have shell OR an MDT set?

If so, fix that first. Carols later.

It was with merited Shellra V, no MDT set. Ulhuadshi had 10% HP, popped out a Stoneja for 3.2k on a MNK when the rest of the fight had been pretty docile.

[Rambus]

Minimal amount of people needed =/= most efficient and if you are going out to seal farm with just your dd, healer, and a BLM you will have less success than blm/brd and blu/nin for proccing yellow overall, since you will be scrambling to retry BLM to see if you missed anything, making the fight longer.
Same for anything where you are missing x proc, because you will have to retry the procs you do have and that will take longer.

I disagree with that, if you have more then 4 people then you have more people after 1 seal so the overall event can take longer, I thought the standered for seal NMs was 4 people and that useally consists of thf or mnk, whm, blm and brd or blu

I did NIN and me BLM before as well (just 2 people). I got a lot of seals so that was most efficient for me. ( NIN friend just wanted a few things, they also had emp 85 katana though) friend was mostly helping me and i am very happy for it.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Rambus won't stop posting until he has proven all of your opinions wrong...

he is the arbiter of right and wrong ;p

[Rambus]

Rambus won't stop posting until he has proven all of your opinions wrong...

he is the arbiter of right and wrong ;p

What am I wrong on? I do not care about such things.

if he thinks BRD is just as useful in abyssea then at 75... well.. i would find that wrong i guess.

If i cared about proving everything wrong I would go line by line in his posts, I do not care to do that.

I have said a while ago in SOME fights in abyssea bard can be a godsend, but that is the thing, some, was not like before.

[Leonlionheart]

I disagree with that, if you have more then 4 people then you have more people after 1 seal so the overall event can take longer, I thought the standered for seal NMs was 4 people and that useally consists of thf or mnk, whm, blm and brd or blu

I did NIN and me BLM before as well (just 2 people). I got a lot of seals so that was most efficient for me. ( NIN friend just wanted a few things, they also had emp 85 katana though) friend was mostly helping me and i am very happy for it.

Seal farm is incredibly easy and I generally get most of my seals from random crap NMs for KI during ls events... even if you are farming seals for every single job (which would be ridiculous) you'll generally spend more time doing the +2 version anyway.

I'm talking about the Abyssea activities that may take something that resembles effort- KI farm.

If your FFXI abyssea experience is limited only to farming seals, then you're right 4 ppl, THF/NIN, WHM/SCH (or RDM, as long as you have dispel, although /SCH is generally more useful in terms of curing and survival), BLM/BRD and a BLU is ideal. This setup is trash for almost anything else.

[MarkovChain]

Inside abyssea it is all about procing, easy lowman farm only cares about yellow for farming.

Just to be clear I never claim brd is any useful inside abyssea, but saying they are useless because because of yellow proc is quite dumb. The only reason to bring a brd is to double killing speed through double march which means you must kill a lot of mobs in the first place. If you camp a mob that has 15' respwan well /facepalm and there is no better melee than another (lol blu who cares about one line of spells when mobs have 15' respawn and a non zero chance to drop).

while farming for KI you want war or nin/pld, a nin/pld has the capacity to proc 10/13 reds.

How is that any where close to efficient ? Do you have any idea how long farming some pops are ? 13/13 or bust. 100% chance of proc'ing beats anything and is the only way to go when at least duoing/trioning. If all the ws you brought missed then warp and change to one of the fail job's ws that you missed (probably drk - sam). And no, if you don't do it wrong you don't care about light. I've been in abyssea for a few weeks and 60 stones are sitting on the npc.

buff jobs do not do much because of atma, some jobs would benift from the extra atttack or haste, mages dont really need refersh support but you can use buffs to pad damage for them.

So much wrong in here. COR was already useless out of abyssea at 75 because dia3 and generic attack food put you nearly at cap. Abyssea only slightly confirmed this. As for brd I'm sorry but double march is about as much damage as Gnarled horn+razed ruins. It's just that you are starting to realize how much having an extra spot in your party is not productive most of the time, just like at 75, and that duo or trio is better, this is nothing abyssea-specific.

a RDM is almost useless in abyssea because cure IV, same with SCH.

Probably because you consider RDM a healer ? It never was and whm has always been superior. RDM is great for addle/phalanx2/debuffs (very usefull on anything casting magic as you are eating damage until !! procs). RDMs can probably change to blm for yellow procs at times or proc various ws if needed, they are also likely to have whm leveled, they are unbeatable for cleave farming etc ...

one thing with bringing a support job like brd is that they have to boost 4 people enough to outdo 5 people. in abyssea
most of the time the 5 wars would do more damage esp when farming normal mobs or FC aoe farming.

That's funny. Who cleaves with 5 wars and what do you cleave, I'm interested.

PLD cannot tank in abyssea for the most part without emp weapons. you need to deal damage to keep hate, that simple. It is possible for other jobs to get to the MDT cap if needed, max shell V helps..

You must be new to FFXI. PLD sucked on about anything.

[Greatguardian]

Pchan has officially trolled the hell out of this thread for the past 4 pages. Sparking a debate on how useful Bard is? Really?

Guys. It's Pchan.

Seriously.

Pchan.

Let that sink in a moment.

[Rambus]

Seal farm is incredibly easy and I generally get most of my seals from random crap NMs for KI during ls events... even if you are farming seals for every single job (which would be ridiculous) you'll generally spend more time doing the +2 version anyway.

I'm talking about the Abyssea activities that may take something that resembles effort- KI farm.

If your FFXI abyssea experience is limited only to farming seals, then you're right 4 ppl, THF/NIN, WHM/SCH (or RDM, as long as you have dispel, although /SCH is generally more useful in terms of curing and survival), BLM/BRD and a BLU is ideal. This setup is trash for almost anything else.

I killed shinru and have like 8 +2 items, I just have a poor memeory of mob names. (please do not take this the wrong way in thinking I am trying to say I am better cuz I have X gear, I am only trying to explain and show I have some experence) I was only stating some aspects where bard is not needed at all. if such a case exists ( you are getting something done) then bard is less useful then it once was.

I stated several times I know bard can be useful but I do find it strange making a claim to bard's usefullness with carol spells. that sitatuion are you fighting a mob that only casts one element? did the said whm have a good bar set as /sch? most dont.

I fought NMs where i can say "yeah we did not need a bard" but i cannot really ramble off a list because I am poor with names.

Pchan has officially trolled the hell out of this thread for the past 4 pages. Sparking a debate on how useful Bard is? Really?

Guys. It's Pchan.

Seriously.

Pchan.

Let that sink in a moment.

what is that?

[Leonlionheart]

Probably because you consider RDM a healer ? It never was and whm has always been superior. RDM is great for addle/phalanx2/debuffs (very usefull on anything casting magic as you are eating damage until !! procs). RDMs can probably change to blm for yellow procs at times or proc various ws if needed, they are also likely to have whm leveled, they are unbeatable for cleave farming etc ...

RDM still less useful than filling that spot with a BRD considering addle/phalanx2/debuffs are generally useless when MNK can counter tank everything and carols/bar will reduce all magical damage to much much less threatening. RDM is better if your using a THF though, since -ga's will probably wipe their HP completely without a good MDT set.

[Leonlionheart]

I killed shinru and have like 8 +2 items, I just have a poor memeory of mob names. (please do not take this the wrong way in thinking I am trying to say I am better cuz I have X gear, I am only trying to explain and show I have some experence) I was only stating some aspects where bard is not needed at all. if such a case exists ( you are getting something done) then bard is less useful then it once was.

I stated several times I know bard can be useful but I do find it strange making a claim to bard's usefullness with carol spells. that sitatuion are you fighting a mob that only casts one element? did the said whm have a good bar set as /sch? most dont.

I fought NMs where i can say "yeah we did not need a bard" but i cannot really ramble off a list because I am poor with names.

No, BRD is not as useful as it was at 75, but it was one of the only jobs you absolutely had to have- along with rdm and whm, because Refresh was such a necessity and it's not now.

But the power of March shouldn't go unrecognized, and its just as useful, if not more useful now than it was before.