Looking For More Players On Cerberus.

[Kylos]

Dude, what do you expect to happen?

You post here asking for "more players on Cerberus" and then talk about trying to get it noticed by SE. What do you want them to do, snap their fingers and make people magically roll new characters on Cerberus? lol. And even if they did, it would be months until they got up to any status where they could be of any use to you in Endgame, because you know, working for charity or paying it forward is not something MMO players typically do (which is part of what was discussed in this very thread). Even Lv99 players are told to go home if they aren't good enough, but yet those same people who are telling Lv99 players to go home because they don't have gear, experience, or know their job inside and out are sitting around whining about not having enough players to clear content.

Well, MAYBE... if you would try to HELP people get up to that level, then MAYBE you would have more people to do stuff with, ne?

Now yes there are some newbies and there are some noobs and it is going to be difficult to tell which a player is within the first 5 minutes. That's why you, *gasp*, invite them, do a few easier bits of content like Delve or something and see how well they learn, how well they react, how much effort they are willing to put in. Give them 1 month time and if they won't shape up/learn/etc, THEN kick them out.

If they do start shaping up and becoming better, hey, guess what? That's one more player you can put some effort into helping and then.. *boom* another player to help you get stuff done. Wouldn't that be nice?

But nope, most endgamers would rather sit on their high horses, sighing wistfully wishing there were more people as good as them to help them clear content, but they forget that there was a day when they themselves were newbies and they had to climb the ladder, too.

They want all the rewards from the newest endgame, but yet they don't want to have to put any teamwork into helping players get up to that content so that there's enough people to do said content. It's just stupid and backwards logic. It's an MMO. You know, that thing where people are supposed to team up to overcome challenges? Nope, they're just gotta sit around moaning and complaining there's nobody to do anything with even though there's probably several dozen Lv99 players who would like a shot but are never given the time of day.

But yelling at SGMs or trying to get moderators to notice this is NOT going to fix the problem whatsoever.

You really don't know me at all. You judge and assume I sit there all day asking for players, when in reality I help a lot of players and have done so for years (ever since the Hades days in '04, thirteen years). I've helped people through all kinds of content when I didn't need anything from it. Assuming I am one of those players is a giant slap in the face. Why are you assuming I am this kind of player? I am not "on my high horse", or "yelling at SGMs", none of that is true. I had a great conversation with the SGM.

I am only looking for acknowledgement. I am not looking for a miracle, nor am I expecting any immediate action. There's a shortage of players in general .. it's not specific to one group. I totally don't mind helping others grow .. because I'm always helping others grow. That's my thing, and it's always been my thing. Now I get back to the game to help people get equipment, vorseals, and clears. I get back to helping players do Domain Invasion. I get back to see how players are progressing, and see if we can team up with others so they can get things done. I'm always helping with party setups and strategies. I keep my members updated, and I'm reaching out for new players to join us almost daily. So don't judge please, unless you know me personally.

PS: None of us are moving to Asura. This is our server, this is where we are, and this is where we play.

[Aysha]

You really don't know me at all. You judge and assume I sit there all day asking for players, when in reality I help a lot of players and have done so for years (ever since the Hades days in '04, thirteen years). I've helped people through all kinds of content when I didn't need anything from it. Assuming I am one of those players is a giant slap in the face. Why are you assuming I am this kind of player?

I never said -you- were, or at least that's not what I meant. I was talking about the endgame culture as a whole, the vast majority are like that. Maybe you are the exception, and if you are, that's good to hear, but sadly there's just not enough players like that around. My apologies if you took that personally; it really wasn't meant as such.

I am not "on my high horse", or "yelling at SGMs", none of that is true. I had a great conversation with the SGM.

Well, ok, "yelling at SGMs" might have been the wrong phrase... I meant "paging them repeatedly" or something along those lines.

I am only looking for acknowledgement. I am not looking for a miracle, nor am I expecting any immediate action. There's a shortage of players in general .. it's not specific to one group. I totally don't mind helping others grow .. because I'm always helping others grow. That's my thing, and it's always been my thing. Now I get back to the game to help people get equipment, vorseals, and clears. I get back to helping players do Domain Invasion. I get back to see how players are progressing, and see if we can team up with others so they can get things done. I'm always helping with party setups and strategies. I keep my members updated, and I'm reaching out for new players to join us almost daily. So don't judge please, unless you know me personally.

That bit I tacked on about people not helping other people was more of a rant at the endgame community itself, and not aimed at you personally. I have seen other people who, like you, post stuff like this, but some of those very people turn around and point their Seattle Space Needle noses up in the air at newbies because they ain't "good enough" and it's a sore spot with me. My apologies if I worded that in such a way that you took it as a jab at you specifically; it was not.

PS: None of us are moving to Asura. This is our server, this is where we are, and this is where we play.

You're of course free to do that... but I still am not sure what your goal was in trying to address this to SGMs or even the developers unless you're asking for server merges of some of the lower population servers (which I think should happen, to be honest). Nobody should be merged with Asura, but yet I think they could take 3-5 of the lowest population servers and merge those together, and it would make everybody's play experience better IMO.

EDIT: Also I'd like to again apologize for any snark or snipping in that post of mine you quoted.. I was not having the best of days and it kinda leaked out into my reply. These last couple weeks RL have been hectic and such, and that CP campaign screwed up my sleeping schedules, and now I got problems at RL work because of a couple problem employees, blah blah. I just want things to go back to normal, lol. But it was wrong of me to dump that in a post in reply to you, and I'll apologize for that.

[Kylos]

I never said -you- were, or at least that's not what I meant. I was talking about the endgame culture as a whole, the vast majority are like that. Maybe you are the exception, and if you are, that's good to hear, but sadly there's just not enough players like that around. My apologies if you took that personally; it really wasn't meant as such.



Well, ok, "yelling at SGMs" might have been the wrong phrase... I meant "paging them repeatedly" or something along those lines.



That bit I tacked on about people not helping other people was more of a rant at the endgame community itself, and not aimed at you personally. I have seen other people who, like you, post stuff like this, but some of those very people turn around and point their Seattle Space Needle noses up in the air at newbies because they ain't "good enough" and it's a sore spot with me. My apologies if I worded that in such a way that you took it as a jab at you specifically; it was not.



You're of course free to do that... but I still am not sure what your goal was in trying to address this to SGMs or even the developers unless you're asking for server merges of some of the lower population servers (which I think should happen, to be honest). Nobody should be merged with Asura, but yet I think they could take 3-5 of the lowest population servers and merge those together, and it would make everybody's play experience better IMO.

EDIT: Also I'd like to again apologize for any snark or snipping in that post of mine you quoted.. I was not having the best of days and it kinda leaked out into my reply. These last couple weeks RL have been hectic and such, and that CP campaign screwed up my sleeping schedules, and now I got problems at RL work because of a couple problem employees, blah blah. I just want things to go back to normal, lol. But it was wrong of me to dump that in a post in reply to you, and I'll apologize for that.

It sounded like it was directed at me which is why I assumed you were judging me. I accept the apology, it's cool.

In lighter news I think my linkshell is getting healthier by the day. We had someone jump from Quetz a couple of days ago, and the recent recruitment drive should make things easier.

However, I still stand by the fact we need more players, no matter how it's done. I never stated we should have a merge, but I'm sure others would be happy to see the lower populated servers merged together. Not that that's the reason why I made the OP, it was done out of frustration as we couldn't get a sufficient group for harder content despite weeks of warning. When we miserably failed our event the other week (we had to do something, better than sitting in Adoulin), it was yet another reminder of the limitations of smaller servers. And as I already stated, acknowledgement would go a long way in giving players peace of mind.

To further this, during EU times through the week we've started seeing average numbers dip under 200 players. This is concerning, and I'm not sure when SE believes it to be critical. I already see this as dire, and the SGM I contacted also expressed frustration (stated he played the game too) with the lack of players. All he could do was apologize and state it's bound to happen with such an old game, in which I responded by saying it's even more important for such an old game to keep players interested by ensuring the remaining are not spread too thin. Any old game has to shut some down eventually, even to the point there's only one server remaining. Clearly we ain't at that stage yet, I firmly believe if we lost 3 of the 17 servers and merged them in to other low populated servers the benefits to the economies and enjoyment of players on each server would be immediately clear.

This seems like a lost cause though. It seems moderators only respond to subjects which are either seriously popular, or points to a major bug/exploit which effects the game. They'd rather not respond and make money from server transfers than appeal to players who struggle on the servers they enjoy playing on. It feels wrong though, to have to pay extra money (doesn't matter how much) on top of what we already do .. just so we can find a server with plenty of choice. We'd like to know if servers like Cerberus will always be around, or if there's a big chance it won't be by 2018. Having this knowledge would help us to determine whether the server is a lost cause, or if there's a chance we'll see an influx of new talent due to other means.