ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[DrStrangelove]

This entire thread is about how people want already exploited trivialized and long long since proven minimal improvements to their characters to trump going out and completing new content.

Nope, that's not what this thread is about. Although you'd like it to be about that since it would make it easy for you to argue.

1) relics and mythics were not obtained through exploitation. Although how AMAZING it is that you use that word when people are soloing drop mobs in abyssea to complete their empyrean.
2) relics and mythics weren't trivialized until SE chose to introduce weapons that could be obtained with 1/50th effort while doing 35%+ more damage.
3) people with relics and mythics are doing new content. Although it might work for your argument if empyrean weapons were the ONLY things added since March, 2010, let me share this with you: it wasn't. We're all getting new gear!

Let me help you with another weak point you've made in several posts. Maats cap is a great achievement (although easier than relics as evidenced that 10x as many people have it as opposed to a relic, and clearly much easier than mythics, but a grand achievement nonetheless.) However, Maats cap was obtained by leveling jobs that are still leveled. It's value to some jobs is what it was before: it's still the best in some circumstances.

The effort to obtain relics an mythics is gone. No one has their currency still to buy more weapons. No one who did 6,500 kill shots before has those given back to them as credit for other weapons. Moreover for most if not all relics they were but are no longer the best weapon.

Sorry your Maats cap example is not where near correct, so drop that one. The investment in Maats cap is still there; the value is still there. The investment of effort for relics and mythics is gone. In it's place people have a weapon that is easily outclassed by weapons people are getting in a week which devalues it further.

Now, you should realize this thread is about the loss of a tremendous amount of effort that individuals invested due to a decision to make superior content available at a fraction of the effort.

[DrStrangelove]

My point is that everything should be attainable to all who play the game, not just those who have hours to play, and have shells that spend their lives in Abyssea/Dynamis/whatever.

Really?
1) everyone should have 20 level 90's even if they are unwilling or unable to level?
2) everyone should have 50 million gil even if they don't feel like working for it?
3) everyone should have 8 million cruor and a full set of +2 gear for all their jobs even if they don't have time?

If you feel that way, shouldn't you just start a thread asking SE to create an NPC that will insta raise your jobs to 90, give you 8 mm cruor and 50 million gil and all the completed relics, mythics and empyreans you can carry?

Do you also believe people who want to be doctors should get that title without studying or practicing medicine? Do you think people who come to work late, miss deadlines and put out reports with typos and math errors should get top bonuses and promoted to president?

I don't. Almost no one does. But a lot of people who don't want to make any effort would like to open up a game, have a character just as good as everyone else with all the same gear and be able to play from time to time. They have games like that called first person shooters (FPS.) It's probably what some people should play instead of an MMO.

[Unctgtg]

Nope, that's not what this thread is about. Although you'd like it to be about that since it would make it easy for you to argue.

1) relics and mythics were not obtained through exploitation. Although how AMAZING it is that you use that word when people are soloing drop mobs in abyssea to complete their empyrean.
2) relics and mythics weren't trivialized until SE chose to introduce weapons that could be obtained with 1/50th effort while doing 35%+ more damage.
3) people with relics and mythics are doing new content. Although it might work for your argument if empyrean weapons were the ONLY things added since March, 2010, let me share this with you: it wasn't. We're all getting new gear!

Let me help you with another weak point you've made in several posts. Maats cap is a great achievement (although easier than relics as evidenced that 10x as many people have it as opposed to a relic, and clearly much easier than mythics, but a grand achievement nonetheless.) However, Maats cap was obtained by leveling jobs that are still leveled. It's value to some jobs is what it was before: it's still the best in some circumstances.

The effort to obtain relics an mythics is gone. No one has their currency still to buy more weapons. No one who did 6,500 kill shots before has those given back to them as credit for other weapons. Moreover for most if not all relics they were but are no longer the best weapon.

Sorry your Maats cap example is not where near correct, so drop that one. The investment in Maats cap is still there; the value is still there. The investment of effort for relics and mythics is gone. In it's place people have a weapon that is easily outclassed by weapons people are getting in a week which devalues it further.

Now, you should realize this thread is about the loss of a tremendous amount of effort that individuals invested due to a decision to make superior content available at a fraction of the effort.

Its actually 9500 killshots

[Rambus]

give you an idea, with new count, it took me 3 RL days ( not 3 days of consistent playing) to do first one at 75 to being done at 85, how long did your 9500 total you?

then again sam/war with a SCH alt would do it pretty fast.

just be carful not to solo sc killshot mob -.-

[McFlurry]

Really?
1) everyone should have 20 level 90's even if they are unwilling or unable to level?
2) everyone should have 50 million gil even if they don't feel like working for it?
3) everyone should have 8 million cruor and a full set of +2 gear for all their jobs even if they don't have time?

If you feel that way, shouldn't you just start a thread asking SE to create an NPC that will insta raise your jobs to 90, give you 8 mm cruor and 50 million gil and all the completed relics, mythics and empyreans you can carry?

Do you also believe people who want to be doctors should get that title without studying or practicing medicine? Do you think people who come to work late, miss deadlines and put out reports with typos and math errors should get top bonuses and promoted to president?

I don't. Almost no one does. But a lot of people who don't want to make any effort would like to open up a game, have a character just as good as everyone else with all the same gear and be able to play from time to time. They have games like that called first person shooters (FPS.) It's probably what some people should play instead of an MMO.

And this is the problem with a lot of people on the game. Because yes, this is a game. To address your numbered points, I said attainable, not handed out for free. Yes, an MMO requires effort and some hard work, and such hard work shouldn't go unrewarded. However, there has to be a balance offered for players of all ability and commitment. If someone wants to start playing the game then they can almost go ahead and do what you've suggested - that's what Abyssea is for. We all know a char can be leeched up to 90 in a couple of days - but how does that undermine anything that you've done? You know you achieved your level 90 through traditional parties or soloing, and that gives you some pride, but what right does that give you to want to take away the new easier methods of levelling?

The same argument can be applied to almost anything in the game. SE (or whoever) don't create games just for the hardcore MMO player with 100 hours a week or more to spend on a game. FFXI seems to have been like this for many a long year, and now that SE are coming up with new stuff that's more powerful than pre-existing items, yet takes a fraction of the time - so? If you treat this game like a job, then you're playing it for the wrong reasons. If you enjoyed the number of fights/length of time it took to get a relic, then great. Don't try and take pleasure away from new people who have achieved something in a fraction of the time it took you just because you're bitter.

I'll say again, this is a game. Games are for entertainment - not a job. And finally, stop being so elitist.

[Unctgtg]

Actually took me awhile, as I went to school and worked full time as well.

[Sama]

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[Duzell]

There is an exception to this rule, the DRG Polearm legendary weapons. the order for those goes Mythic > Relic > Empyrian, Calaman's Torment.... yea.... Drakesbane is still #1.

[Unctgtg]

Hey SE, are we planning on seeing the Relic buff this update in a few weeks?

[Zeroth]

Well, SE tweeted:

We're planning to enhance Aegis in the next major version update in order to balance it with the new and powerful Ochain!

So leaves one to believe they would also be making the changes to relics and mythics as well?