So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

[Masekase]

I dont see the harm in leeching to be honest. Most jobs have similarities you dont need to have grind the job to figure out how to play it.

ie. I have rdm 75 i know that i could pick up whm at 75 and i would no how to play it.

We have all been in parties we are not blind we can see how other jobs work.

[cidbahamut]

I don't understand why or how some people believe that exping the old-fashioned way automatically makes you better at the job. If we continue using rdm as an example - exactly how does casting haste/refresh/cure in an endless cycle in "regular" exp parties, make you better than someone who leeches the job from 30 to ~75? I have lost count of how many shitty rdms that I have encountered in old-fashioned exp parties - the kind of players who don't pay attention, don't cast haste, start whining when the pld asks for refresh, and that try to skill up elemental magic by nuking instead of keeping people alive. And yet they managed to get to lvl 75 simply because rdm used to be deemed necessary for an exp party, and people put up with their shitty performance way too often. On top of this, they would refuse to take any advice and get all butthurt instead.

These rdms still suck at the job today.

It's not about how you lvld the job. It's about your attitude and ability/willingness to learn.

The difference between lvling in old-fashioned exp parties and leeching a job in abyssea, is the speed of which you level. Nothing else.

As a Red Mage I'm gonna take issue with this. If you're a RDM and all you do in an exp party is haste/cure/refresh, then you're probably slacking or fighting little pink birds.

I went from 1 to 72 in exp parties and tried to make sure I used every one of them as a learning experience. You don't learn how to not freeze in a panic situation by leeching. No, taking a few exp parties where things go haywire is much better for learning how to think on the fly so you know when to turn on chainspell and immobilize everything to cover your party's retreat. Yes it can all be learned after you hit the level cap, but there are merits to leveling at a slower pace to give yourself more exposure to the job. The more time you spend with the job the better you can become at it.

At the end of the day it boils down to personal preference. Although I still subscribe to the idea that forcing bad players to level slowly provides more opportunities for them to receive the kick in the head they require.

[Masekase]

As a Red Mage I'm gonna take issue with this. If you're a RDM and all you do in an exp party is haste/cure/refresh, then you're probably slacking or fighting little pink birds.

I went from 1 to 72 in exp parties and tried to make sure I used every one of them as a learning experience. You don't learn how to not freeze in a panic situation by leeching. No, taking a few exp parties where things go haywire is much better for learning how to think on the fly so you know when to turn on chainspell and immobilize everything to cover your party's retreat. Yes it can all be learned after you hit the level cap, but there are merits to leveling at a slower pace to give yourself more exposure to the job. The more time you spend with the job the better you can become at it.

At the end of the day it boils down to personal preference. Although I still subscribe to the idea that forcing bad players to level slowly provides more opportunities for them to receive the kick in the head they require.

Nah you could of learned that on any other job barring chainspell.

[cidbahamut]

Nah you could of learned that on any other job barring chainspell.

You're assuming everyone has more than one job leveled, aren't you?

[Tenshibaby]

I made that argument, it was ignored, Yours will be too

For a reason.

a leeched brd asking advice will be better than someone who has been brd for years and still refuse to double march!

Any good BRD knows not to blindly feed haste-whores. Then again, this is evidence that people don't understand the jobs anymore. Here's a clue: BRD doesn't involve making decisions like "Raise pressure or lower pressure?" or involve macroed-double-march-and-afk cycling.

[Masekase]

You're assuming everyone has more than one job leveled, aren't you?

Yes most people have no need to assume

[Eeek]

For a reason.



Any good BRD knows not to blindly feed haste-whores. Then again, this is evidence that people don't understand the jobs anymore.

Right on! Why would any support job want their DDs to hit faster, when instead, they could hit harder. Rawr! Minuets and STR etudes for everyone, amirite?

[Tenshibaby]

[QUOTE=Karbuncle;59167]

Right on! Why would any support job want their DDs to hit faster, when instead, they could hit harder. Rawr! Minuets and STR etudes for everyone, amirite?

We get it - you like missing faster for less damage. You probably think it makes Provoke faster and Utsusemi cast faster. In other words, you think BRD basically needs about 6 songs in the entire game. Let me guess: Abyssea-leveled your jobs too?

I am a REAL BRD, WHM, RDM, etc. and I can tell you if I let melees dictate what spells to cast, our leveling would have been less efficient.

[Eeek]

[QUOTE=Tenshibaby;59393]

We get it - you like missing faster for less damage. You probably think it makes Provoke faster and Utsusemi cast faster. In other words, you think BRD basically needs about 6 songs in the entire game. Let me guess: Abyssea-leveled your jobs too?

I am a REAL BRD, WHM, RDM, etc. and I can tell you if I let melees dictate what spells to cast, our leveling would have been less efficient.

/giggle

Relevant FFXIAH Link: I wear Maat's Cap and Bird Whistle with my pinky out!

[cidbahamut]

We get it - you like missing faster for less damage.

If by "missing" you mean "hitting", and by "less damage" you mean "more cumulative damage", then yes.