So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

[Tenshibaby]

Has it made it easier? Not really, no.

Of all the faults in your argument, this one stood out as the most succinct evidence that you really aren't willing to deal with reality when it doesn't support your position.

Have a nice day.

[Greatguardian]

EXP being easier now requires EXP being harder beforehand.

It wasn't. EXP after ToAU was a complete joke.

Edit: It's funny because you haven't made any real arguments or responses aside from "You're delusional", "It's obvious", and "You suck". Butthurt Maat Caps are Butthurt.

[Karbuncle]

EXP being easier now requires EXP being harder beforehand.

It wasn't. EXP after ToAU was a complete joke.

Edit: It's funny because you haven't made any real arguments or responses aside from "You're delusional", "It's obvious", and "You suck". Butthurt Maat Caps are Butthurt.

Its plainly obvious he is going to do nothing but respond with insults and act mad every time. You may as well just move on.

Arguing with his type will never result in anything good. He's set in his ways and you're set in yours. You'll just butt heads until one of you falls over. The one with the thicker skull will likely win... so.

[Rambus]

........ Your reaction times are quicker? Do you think you have better split-second decision making skills? A greater ability to run around in circles while mobs flail around unable to hit you? RDM is one of the more complex jobs in FFXI, and it's still *not hard at all*. Solo? Group? Healing? Crowd Control? Nuking? Pulling? Tanking? Not hard at all. The burden of proof is on you, being the one who claims to be better than any leech. Show that you are better than me, any way you want.

I like to say this, some "split-second decision making" is built on experience and obviously someone that leveled the old way would been in more parties and situations then someone that leeched. Now the thing is this that varies person to person, when people did level the old way "how much did you make yourself aware of your surroundings?". Someone could level the old way and have poor skills at knowing what is going on past them self, where as someone that leeched might be fully aware of thier surroundings. How much practice does someone need to skillshot a mob with stone I? Purposely imprtu skillchains? Sleeping mobs that agro someone while they just got up from RR? In other words can you take yourself out of "habit" and sleep that mob before it kills the weekend person? you need a lucky miss most likely but you get my point, I hope. Can you get rid of your "Habit" and not stun everything that agros you because you might be wasting your time casting stun on a thunder immune mob.

Some things are better learned though the old way of leveling. The question is however, how much is the said person aware while leveling? Did the person do whatever to skate by vs thinking about experiences and what they should do in the future for better judgment calls?

I will say this, there where people that where bad at playing even after taking a long time to level to 75, there was skilled people as well.

However, abyssea changed the ratio of skilled players vs bad, there is more poorly skilled players now because of the leeching where they are NOT FORCED to be aware of the surroundings. Some people might of learned to do good judgment calls in the past where now they wouldn’t of learned. Some people are quick learners and can pick it up regardless but the number of people that can do that is very few.

The only reason people have an easier time of adjusting to new jobs that leeched are people that can be aware or learned to be aware what has to be done ether from past MNO games, or playing FFXI and being 75 pre-abyssea and pre SMN burning. Take you with RDM, you might of learned about different situational macros on line or from friends that are good at RDM. You can even say I learned what NOT to do from my friends and leveled it to show how it should be played.

When you take a new player now, vs back when leveling was slow, there is a greater chance they would been better skilled at making judgment calls then someone that is new player now ( don’t mix that up with leveling a new job). The proof is forced experience, some people do not need it, but the number of that is very few. Greatguardian and Tenshibaby might both be good RDM but you can’t say person x is better then person y just based of how they leveled. I know for a fact most people that did leeching tend to be poor players, but the key word there is most. Greatguardian probably does not fit that "most".

[Tamoa]

I don't understand why or how some people believe that exping the old-fashioned way automatically makes you better at the job. If we continue using rdm as an example - exactly how does casting haste/refresh/cure in an endless cycle in "regular" exp parties, make you better than someone who leeches the job from 30 to ~75? I have lost count of how many shitty rdms that I have encountered in old-fashioned exp parties - the kind of players who don't pay attention, don't cast haste, start whining when the pld asks for refresh, and that try to skill up elemental magic by nuking instead of keeping people alive. And yet they managed to get to lvl 75 simply because rdm used to be deemed necessary for an exp party, and people put up with their shitty performance way too often. On top of this, they would refuse to take any advice and get all butthurt instead.

These rdms still suck at the job today.

It's not about how you lvld the job. It's about your attitude and ability/willingness to learn.

The difference between lvling in old-fashioned exp parties and leeching a job in abyssea, is the speed of which you level. Nothing else.

[Karbuncle]

I don't understand why or how some people believe that exping the old-fashioned way automatically makes you better at the job. If we continue using rdm as an example - exactly how does casting haste/refresh/cure in an endless cycle in "regular" exp parties, make you better than someone who leeches the job from 30 to ~75? I have lost count of how many shitty rdms that I have encountered in old-fashioned exp parties - the kind of players who don't pay attention, don't cast haste, start whining when the pld asks for refresh, and that try to skill up elemental magic by nuking instead of keeping people alive. And yet they managed to get to lvl 75 simply because rdm used to be deemed necessary for an exp party, and people put up with their shitty performance way too often. On top of this, they would refuse to take any advice and get all butthurt instead.

These rdms still suck at the job today.

It's not about how you lvld the job. It's about your attitude and ability/willingness to learn.

The difference between lvling in old-fashioned exp parties and leeching a job in abyssea, is the speed of which you level. Nothing else.

I made that argument, it was ignored, Yours will be too

[RaenRyong]

I can count the number of people I would consider above average I found levelling in exp parties back in the old day on one hand. Hell, I was ecstatic if I found someone who was satisfactory.. most of the time it was gimps, gimps, gimps.

[Tamoa]

I made that argument, it was ignored, Yours will be too

Oh I know
Just felt the need to state my opinion. Too many people make it sound like there weren't any stupid/gimp players around before abyssea because everyone had to spend hours and hours on exping their jobs - when in fact there were plenty of them!

[hiko]

Does it bug you when I deem the traditional way the "right way"? Good. I stand by it, and the current state of the game (and forums with 90 BRD asking which skills he needs) stand as my evidence.

a leeched brd asking advice will be better than someone who has been brd for years and still refuse to double march!

[Eeek]

Aside from the first post, all the posts on this page are right on. <3

I just dinged RDM90 yesterday, and although I can't say I learned how to play RDM in an event setting, I can say that I'm a champion at curing and hasting all the DDs in an exp alliance. Yeah, I leveled from 49-90 in a total of 3 exp alliances over the course of a few days, but nothing I did even remotely approached this leeching that so many people cry about. Lazy people are easy to kick, and anyone who does whatever they can to be useful is awesome.

Now for the fun part: more research into RDM, proper gearing, and writing proper macros! How many of people who cry about Abyssea leeching even bothered to do this on the jobs they leveled the 'real' way?

Oh. They still wear full Aurore or Teal.

Point taken.