Catch up mechanics for omen 20 hour lockout?

[Shiyo]

No, people do not need to calm down.
Changes happen when people complain and give constructive criticism/feedback.
Nothing changes when you blindly defend every single thing SE does and think it's great, because then the devs see "Oh no problems! Guess everyone is happy!"

Stop defending bad things so that SE doesn't see there's feedback saying it's fine, they should only see negative feedback regarding badly designed things to encourage them to change them more.

[Nyarlko]

No, people do not need to calm down.
Changes happen when people complain and give constructive criticism/feedback.
Nothing changes when you blindly defend every single thing SE does and think it's great, because then the devs see "Oh no problems! Guess everyone is happy!"

Stop defending bad things so that SE doesn't see there's feedback saying it's fine, they should only see negative feedback regarding badly designed things to encourage them to change them more.

So... If someone doesn't want to join the angry mob, then they're not allowed to state any opinions?

I don't have any problems taking a short-term "wait and see" stance for now. As I just said, if March rolls around and there are not even announcements of planned reductions to the lockout, then I will happily pick up my Pitchfork+1 and join you in storming the windmill.

[Shiyo]

By then it's probably too late.

[Nyarlko]

By then it's probably too late.

Three months of waiting does not seem like "too late" to me. Especially since it is likely that lowering the entry CD over time was intended from the start like I feel it was.

Good news though everybody! Confirmation on some sort of adjustment to time for Omen on JPside today. ^^
Post by Salalaruru
My japanese is not strong enough to actually tell exactly what the planned adjustment is (whether they are talking about time per floor or time allowed to complete objectives) but maybe someone else could help? It doesn't quote anyone, but I think it means that the timer to complete objectives is planned to be increased.. Could be wrong tho and it's time per floor. :x

[detlef]

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit about the lockout. ^^;; There is still a strong probability that the timer will be relaxed/removed with time. Devs are on holiday til February it seems, (no Jan FP, announcement of January campaigns a full month early, they flat out said they are out til Feb, etc XD) so I wouldn't expect to hear anything about it until at least then. Since the development cycle restarts in March IIRC, I'm actually more inclined to expect to have to wait til then to hear what their plans are for Omen in the coming year.
Actually.... Didn't they do something similar to this last year? Give us a long grindy thing to work on for Dec/Jan then actual update type stuff in Feb? (We were able to start working on Aeonics around that time, IIRC..) I wouldn't be surprised if the current setup is intended to just keep us busy while they are on forced vacation or something lol

However, if March rolls around and devs say that there will be no changes to Omen in 2017, then I will enthusiastically join the horde of complainers. -_-;;
I for one will be grinding patiently until at least then before I see any reason to panic. If you look at the current setup as a temporary setup, it's really not as bad as others make it out to be.

Sure I think it'll be relaxed in the future. But if you think that when March hits, the 20-hour wait will be unacceptable to you then, why is it acceptable now? Only earning cards on the job you're on is incredibly restrictive, so many of the mini-objectives are melee-centric, and I feel that a lot of the objectives don't scale well with a full PT. These are more complaints about the content itself but it's harder to accept bad luck when you're locked out for 20 hours.

Also, the game's not in some super healthy state and 3 months could represent a not-so-insignificant chunk of the game's future.

[Nyarlko]

Sure I think it'll be relaxed in the future. But if you think that when March hits, the 20-hour wait will be unacceptable to you then, why is it acceptable now? Only earning cards on the job you're on is incredibly restrictive, so many of the mini-objectives are melee-centric, and I feel that a lot of the objectives don't scale well with a full PT. These are more complaints about the content itself but it's harder to accept bad luck when you're locked out for 20 hours.

Also, the game's not in some super healthy state and 3 months could represent a not-so-insignificant chunk of the game's future.

There's plenty of room for improvement inside the fight itself of course, and the dev post I linked is a good indication that they are not going to dig in their heels too hard about the details at least. ^^

[detlef]

Yes, that's a welcome change and will help to farm cards more efficiently. It doesn't address the re-entry time but hopefully it is a sign that an adjustment will happen sooner rather than later.

[OmnysValefor]

If it's spaming they're worried about, or just congestion (as Ambu had in the first month), there are a few things they can do that people have discussed.

- A reduced, but not removed cooldown. I think 3 hours should be maximum cooldown.

- Make the KI cost say 35 merits OR 10 JP (offer both as options).

People always talk in MMOs about devs struggling to make content as fast as players complete it. A reasonable lockout wouldn't make an issue out of this.

The job-based cards has got to go. I very much get the principal (Prove your mastery of x-job) but when Y job is better for a boss or for your group, what's the group supposed to do? It sucks telling friends you need them on X job. The pacing is way too slow to make this remotely acceptable.

Acquiring cards for a job you don't actually care about is the same as not going at all.

[Belmonts]

Three months of waiting does not seem like "too late" to me. Especially since it is likely that lowering the entry CD over time was intended from the start like I feel it was.

Good news though everybody! Confirmation on some sort of adjustment to time for Omen on JPside today. ^^
Post by Salalaruru
My japanese is not strong enough to actually tell exactly what the planned adjustment is (whether they are talking about time per floor or time allowed to complete objectives) but maybe someone else could help? It doesn't quote anyone, but I think it means that the timer to complete objectives is planned to be increased.. Could be wrong tho and it's time per floor. :x

There ya go:

バトルコンテンツ「オーメン」に関するご意見をありがとうございます。
[Batoru kontentsu "Omen" ni kansuru go-iken wo arigatou gozaimasu]
Thank you for your feedback(opinions) regarding the battle content "Omen".

いただきましたご意見のうち、目標の制限時間については、
[itadakimashita go-iken no uchi, mokuhyou no seigen jikan ni tsuite wa,]
Regarding your comments we received about the time restriction on objectives,

いまよりも長い時間設けるよう調整する予定です。
[ima yori mo nagai jikan moukeru you chousei suru yotei desu.]
there are preparations towards an adjustment where the timer will be longer than it currently is.

早めのタイミングでお届けできるようしますので、しばしお待ちください。
[Hayame no TAIMINGU de todoke dekiru you ni shimasu no de, shibaraku omachi kudasai]
We'll deliver it as soon as possible so please be patient.

[Shiyo]

I like the job restriction, forces people to try things.
This games player base are so stuck in their ways and only play in the most boring way imaginable, so the devs really really really REALLY need to force people to try different comps/jobs.

The problem is a 20 hour lock out makes it so people are only EVER going to take what's the safest/best/guaranteed win, so no experimenting.

6 player max + 20 hour time gate = sterile boring comps.

20 hour lock out is ruining this content in more ways than one.