So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

[Greatguardian]

I'm sure most "Career, earned-my-level RDMs" have something to learn from someone who earned 90 by key-whoring and hasting. No, really, I believe all of you people who took the express elevator to 90 who then proclaim how awesome you are. No, really.

Similarly, I learned how to play QB by reading a book. Tebow, Manning, Brees... they're all doing it wrong. Why am I qualified to make this assessment? Because I read the book. Don't hate - by my own best assessment I am better than most NFL QB's.

I cal BS on that until a proper test can be done, but for that we need one of each type of class of both PLed 90s and old 90s

Because the argument on both sides can only be backed up by referencing other things at this point.

Okay. Find me a RDM who "earned their levels". I'm willing to bet I'm not only better geared, with a wider variety of situational macros, but also better at playing the job in practice in both solo and group situations. Using another BG poster doesn't count, since I can't think of a single one who gives a shit about "level earning".

[Kailea_Nagisa]

We are not on the same server, so how am I to find another RDM to compete against you, that and one example is not enough for a full test, like I said we need one of each type of job, and of both types.

[Greatguardian]

We are not on the same server, so how am I to find another RDM to compete against you, that and one example is not enough for a full test, like I said we need one of each type of job, and of both types.

Eh that's fine. If you can find a RDM on any server who actually wants to try and prove that they're "better than any leech", have them PM me on BG or FFXIAH (same username on all counts, I'm on Cerberus), and we can compare whatever. Gear sets? Macros? Solo wins?

How would you determine who is better? The same question applies to Tenshibaby as well. It is you, (Well, moreso Tenshi) who are claiming that these "Earned" RDMs are better than my RDM in the first place, so I will leave the standards up to you if you want.

[Tenshibaby]

LOL So gear + macros = skill

Your lack of merit as a 90RDM is being exposed the more you post.

And for the record, I could out-RDM you in Taru lvl1 RSE.

[cidbahamut]

Your lack of merit as a 90RDM is being exposed the more you post.

Not really. Neurotic twitches indicating spell times and corresponding muscle memory can't really be conveyed via a forum post. Neither can split-second decision making ability.

This whole argument is like watching two kids wail on each other with those foam noodles they have at swimming pools.

[Tenshibaby]

This whole argument is like watching two kids wail on each other with those foam noodles they have at swimming pools.

So then your participation is proof you didn't want to be left out.

Nobody with skill equates gear with skill. That myth has been debunked about a billion times on MMO's for who knows how long.

What you really have would be more like a kid playing Yugioh with lots of rare, expensive cards who beats the other 3 kids in his small little town and declares himself both skillful and among the very best worldwide. He doesn't understand the game well enough to recognize his own shortcomings.
I know these things to be true:
1. I play a pretty good RDM.
2. I am not among the best.
3. I would OWN Greatguardian and any other leech RDM.

[cidbahamut]

3. I would OWN Greatguardian and any other leech RDM.

On what grounds can you or anyone else make this claim?

[Greatguardian]

So then your participation is proof you didn't want to be left out.

Nobody with skill equates gear with skill. That myth has been debunked about a billion times on MMO's for who knows how long.

What you really have would be more like a kid playing Yugioh with lots of rare, expensive cards who beats the other 3 kids in his small little town and declares himself both skillful and among the very best worldwide. He doesn't understand the game well enough to recognize his own shortcomings.
I know these things to be true:
1. I play a pretty good RDM.
2. I am not among the best.
3. I would OWN Greatguardian and any other leech RDM.

Anyone with skill knows how to gear themselves and puts forth the effort to obtain nice gear. So really, skilled players do end up having nice gear over any sort of protracted timeframe. I could care less about showing off my RDM, but I am rather tired of hearing this crap from gimps who think they're hot shit because they "Exp'd the right way". If you think you're better than this leeched RDM, prove it.

What do you think you're better at? Do you think your spells are stronger because you EXP'd properly? Do you think you cast them faster? Your reaction times are quicker? Do you think you have better split-second decision making skills? A greater ability to run around in circles while mobs flail around unable to hit you? RDM is one of the more complex jobs in FFXI, and it's still *not hard at all*. Solo? Group? Healing? Crowd Control? Nuking? Pulling? Tanking? Not hard at all. The burden of proof is on you, being the one who claims to be better than any leech. Show that you are better than me, any way you want.

[Tenshibaby]

Tell you what. I'll get my brother an account, have him leech to 90RDM, and then have him claim to be better than most experienced RDM's, and see how much credibility he has. What's the difference between someone who leeched to 90 and someone who bought their 90RDM account off of eBay? Not much.

And no, Great, the burden of proof is on you because you made the outrageous claim. Did you have any 75's prior to Abyssea?

[Karbuncle]

Tell you what. I'll get my brother an account, have him leech to 90RDM, and then have him claim to be better than most experienced RDM's, and see how much credibility he has. What's the difference between someone who leeched to 90 and someone who bought their 90RDM account off of eBay? Not much.

And no, Great, the burden of proof is on you because you made the outrageous claim. Did you have any 75's prior to Abyssea?

You know, After just now reading this thread. I want you to know as a Third party viewed of this subject.

Evertyime GreatGuardian asks you, on your terms, To compare to him in your own way, You come back and reply with a sarcastic, nonsense, insulting, immature response that makes you look like a foolish person.

The only thing you have accomplished in all of your posts is making yourself look less and less Credible over time. You refuse to prove yourself by comparing your gear to his, Your skills to his, Anything. He's asking you to set the guidelines and you have refuse to put your money where your mouth is, So to speak. He's asking you to set the guidelines for him and you to be judged upon, and you continue to ignore his proposition and insult him relentlessly to the point i am shocked you have yet to be banned. as all of your posts this far can be viewed as inflammatory and immature.

It is a foolish conversation and your ignorance and arrogance is not helping in anyway. You are demeaning and insulting instead of producing a decent argument, in which you defend your opinion.

Playing a job 1-90 Through Classical EXP methods does not Guarantee a player to be of peak performance. This is proof positive by the fact that back in 2004-2005, FFXI players were some of the stupidest to ever grace the game. We've had bad players throughout the History of the game. Abyssea did not bring this, and Exping normally does not guarantee a intelligent player. A Lesser intelligent player would be bad at his job rather he leeched to 90, or haste/cure whored himself to 90 in a Normal Exp party. Stupid people will be Stupid, Smart people will be smart.

Those who care about the job can easily research best options on any of the multiple FFXI Websites, and Learn from trial and error to become better at their job, Regardless of how they leveled. Those who do not care will spend all their time bashing other because they feel they have some undeserved selfish self-proclaimed superiority over those who know the job well and did not exp the same way.

There will always be bad players, there will always be good players, But this is because of basic difference in human behavior, not because of how the player exp'd. Attempting to blame someone, or call them a bad player, because of their playstyle is immoral and ignorant. So again I will say, Stupid players will be stupid, Smart players will be smart, The way they leveled does not matter, its what they do after they hit 90 that shows strength or weakness.