Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

[Richard]

Down with Abyssea.

[tanng]

just pure lazyness. just say i just bought this game hit lvl 30 in 2 days thinking this game is great then enter abyssea and get to lvl 32 and fall alseep wake up and i was lvl 75 . yes thats what all leecher want thats why you all complaining because you can lvl up in your sleep, wake up and start doing it your self. and b4 ppl start say you need a key person well BRD COR can do that easy inbetween there buffs. i know you wana lvl fast but what bout all the other zones like 30+ zones just empty and why is that. i like walking tho caedarva mire and seeing a party wiped and having to raise them or just help them out. now i walk tho just 2 people doing trials and i cant avoid the imps so i will die with out anyone in the zone with a raise. not to say i cant kill imp at lvl 90 but it happens. if the cap was raised to 75+ these zones would be full again less stress on abyssea servers 10 zones and people will know what there job can do if they really lvl it instead of skiping lvls. i could say alot like what is refresh do you even have it yet. there responce whats that or whats it do or why do i need it for lmao gezzzz. yea high lvls are lvling there job so may know but if you dont earn the right to be a top player why are you a top player, hit 90 lvl no gear cos you just lvled just a excuse to make the game real easy for lazy people. and if SE keeps the cap where it is might aswell shut down all the other zones cos they are dead because of this. no challange just pure lazyness...

[Ramsos]

just pure lazyness. just say i just bought this game hit lvl 30 in 2 days thinking this game is great then enter abyssea and get to lvl 32 and fall alseep wake up and i was lvl 75 . yes thats what all leecher want thats why you all complaining because you can lvl up in your sleep, wake up and start doing it your self. and b4 ppl start say you need a key person well BRD COR can do that easy inbetween there buffs. i know you wana lvl fast but what bout all the other zones like 30+ zones just empty and why is that. i like walking tho caedarva mire and seeing a party wiped and having to raise them or just help them out. now i walk tho just 2 people doing trials and i cant avoid the imps so i will die with out anyone in the zone with a raise. not to say i cant kill imp at lvl 90 but it happens. if the cap was raised to 75+ these zones would be full again less stress on abyssea servers 10 zones and people will know what there job can do if they really lvl it instead of skiping lvls. i could say alot like what is refresh do you even have it yet. there responce whats that or whats it do or why do i need it for lmao gezzzz. yea high lvls are lvling there job so may know but if you dont earn the right to be a top player why are you a top player, hit 90 lvl no gear cos you just lvled just a excuse to make the game real easy for lazy people. and if SE keeps the cap where it is might aswell shut down all the other zones cos they are dead because of this. no challange just pure lazyness...

There are multiple things wrong with your logic, I will try my best to hit them all.

Abyssea did not make the majority of zones in the game empty, level sync did. Level sync reduced people to partying in only 4 zones (Eron[S], bhaf thickets, waj woodlands, korroloka tunnel). Right now, people exp in more zones (9 abyssea zones) than people have since level sync was introduced.

Leveling quickly to 90 has nothing to do with badly geared players. Gear that you would use while leveling means nothing at 90, even the majority of 75 gear is obsolete at 90.

Leveling is not a challenge and it never was, it was simply tedious. It was never even an accomplishment. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.

Caederva mire is empty because it sucks. Caederva mire was empty long before abyssea was created. You not being able to avoid imps sounds like a personal problem, not the cause of abyssea.

Leveling jobs the old way does not teach you how to play the job for endgame, where the game really matters. It only teaches you how to play it in exp parties.

[tanng]

There are multiple things wrong with your logic, I will try my best to hit them all.

Abyssea did not make the majority of zones in the game empty, level sync did. Level sync reduced people to partying in only 4 zones (Eron[S], bhaf thickets, waj woodlands, korroloka tunnel). Right now, people exp in more zones (9 abyssea zones) than people have since level sync was introduced.

Leveling quickly to 90 has nothing to do with badly geared players. Gear that you would use while leveling means nothing at 90, even the majority of 75 gear is obsolete at 90.

Leveling is not a challenge and it never was, it was simply tedious. It was never even an accomplishment. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.

Caederva mire is empty because it sucks. Caederva mire was empty long before abyssea was created. You not being able to avoid imps sounds like a personal problem, not the cause of abyssea.

Leveling jobs the old way does not teach you how to play the job for endgame, where the game really matters. It only teaches you how to play it in exp parties.

just avoiding the question why is having lvl 30 cap on abyssea so good then if you so clever ? and there is 10 abyssea zones 10th zone is the final boss zone.

[Ramsos]

just avoiding the question why is having lvl 30 cap on abyssea so good then if you so clever ? and there is 10 abyssea zones 10th zone is the final boss zone.

You cant exp in the final zone, why would I count it in a discussion about exp.

How am I avoiding the question? I just posted multiple reasons why the level 30 cap is fine. If 30 is fine then 1 is fine, I dont see why so many people are crying over this. If you dont want to exp with leeches, then make pts outside abyssea.

And before you start crying about not being able to find people who want to exp outside abyssea, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that "you" are the problem for not embracing what the majority of the playerbase already accepts.

[tanng]

You cant exp in the final zone, why would I count it in a discussion about exp.

How am I avoiding the question? I just posted multiple reasons why the level 30 cap is fine. If 30 is fine then 1 is fine, I dont see why so many people are crying over this. If you dont want to exp with leeches, then make pts outside abyssea.

And before you start crying about not being able to find people who want to exp outside abyssea, maybe you should look in the mirror and realize that "you" are the problem for not embracing what the majority of the playerbase already accepts.

you just not saying it right, lots of people lvled there jobs to 75 before abyssea and it took them weeks not hours and now that people can level up real easy and that and rush the game, i myself feel let down because yes i like lvling fast but it comes at a big cost where is the longtime earned game play, i even thought bout quiting again cos i got it all in less than a month. now what i am goner do lvl a job i do not want or help ls or even just sit in jeuno like everyone else cos they bored and just need that one mission, yea rasie the cap get people doing stuff not just standing there lagging it up.
and before you try get all wound up bout people and there differences think bout what you are saying and not try and get angry you really dont want me to start on you so dont even try it with me. this is a debate not a cursing match grow up.

[Ramsos]

you just not saying it right, lots of people lvled there jobs to 75 before abyssea and it took them weeks not hours and now that people can level up real easy and that and rush the game, i myself feel let down because yes i like lvling fast but it comes at a big cost where is the longtime earned game play, i even thought bout quiting again cos i got it all in less than a month. now what i am goner do lvl a job i do not want or help ls or even just sit in jeuno like everyone else cos they bored and just need that one mission, yea rasie the cap get people doing stuff not just standing there lagging it up.
and before you try get all wound up bout people and there differences think bout what you are saying and not try and get angry you really dont want me to start on you so dont even try it with me. this is a debate not a cursing match grow up.

Since you are being alot more civil than others which support your views, ill be nice.

Leveling jobs is a minor aspect of the game. FFXI really begins after you reach the level cap. If you are bored, find a linkshell that does stuff. Abyssea is not the end of the game, its more midgame content than endgame. SE has already started working on its older endgame content so it is viable at our new levels. Forcing people to level slower is not the answer. There is alot to do in abyssea, if you take your time to enjoy it then you are satisfied for now. If ffxi is your whole life and you treat it like a job, you will just blow through it quickly and then obviously you are gonna have nothing to do untill new stuff is added. As I said, abyssea is midgame content, its not supposed to sustain the playerbase forever like some of the older endgame events were intended for.

Here is an analogy for my point. Garrison is an example of a midgame event. People did garrison when that was the average level of the playerbase. If you just did garrison all day every day, you would cap out on whatever garrison had and would be bored untill new content was added. Abyssea is the same thing. It is midgame content intended for level 90. The level cap being at 30 is intended so people can experience abyssea faster.

[tanng]

Since you are being alot more civil than others which support your views, ill be nice.

Leveling jobs is a minor aspect of the game. FFXI really begins after you reach the level cap. If you are bored, find a linkshell that does stuff. Abyssea is not the end of the game, its more midgame content than endgame. SE has already started working on its older endgame content so it is viable at our new levels. Forcing people to level slower is not the answer. There is alot to do in abyssea, if you take your time to enjoy it then you are satisfied for now. If ffxi is your whole life and you treat it like a job, you will just blow through it quickly and then obviously you are gonna have nothing to do untill new stuff is added. As I said, abyssea is midgame content, its not supposed to sustain the playerbase forever like some of the older endgame events were intended for.



Here is an analogy for my point. Garrison is an example of a midgame event. People did garrison when that was the average level of the playerbase. If you just did garrison all day every day, you would cap out on whatever garrison had and would be bored untill new content was added. Abyssea is the same thing. It is midgame content intended for level 90. The level cap being at 30 is intended so people can experience abyssea faster.

interesting and true if the cap stayed at 30 people can jump to end game faster and if the cap raised they would have to do that much more to get there. but i still think the longness of the game is getting hurt even i dont play all day and still get great results but i am saying that i want something more to come back to not just lvl up and hit end game. some people find good ls but some dont or they full. so mayb this is more to push on we need more content because people get bored when they are done. i say abyssea was a bit too fast and thats why people think that this cap need raiseing like myself to give the game more time to grow or make new content.

[Ramsos]

interesting and true if the cap stayed at 30 people can jump to end game faster and if the cap raised they would have to do that much more to get there. but i still think the longness of the game is getting hurt even i dont play all day and still get great results but i am saying that i want something more to come back to not just lvl up and hit end game. some people find good ls but some dont or they full. so mayb this is more to push on we need more content because people get bored when they are done. i say abyssea was a bit too fast and thats why people think that this cap need raiseing like myself to give the game more time to grow or make new content.

I agree 100% that abyssea content is very easy to blow through quickly. But I believe that right now is a holding pattern for ffxi. SE is gonna either add true endgame content at 99 or they are gonna update old events. I hated grinding exp the old way. I had no intention of ever leveling another job (I did 8 to 75 before level sync and one more after), but now I'm considering doing more jobs. Personally I like the way abyssea is now, I like having the option to level a new job quickly if my shell starts to have a shortage of a certain key job. If the cap was raised, this option wouldnt be as readily available.

[Veg]

The problem with the low cap is the other areas are not being used. Imo they should raise the cap. My first 3 jobs where done the hardway by leveling in crawlers nest and yhoater jungle and bhaflau thickets ect. Going to 30 then aby is just lame. It takes away from ff what made it good. U need to earn ur levels least ur first one. Raise the cap Yo.