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    Player machini's Avatar
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    And as to "GEO destroying Game Balance", what exactly changed? The content, or the playerbase? I've seen people complain that no one wants to take BRD for Capacity Point parties, and demand COR instead, overlooking the reason for why that is.

    I feel that way, way, way too much of the feedback I read on this forum and on others is created in a vacuum.
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    Player OmnysValefor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by machini View Post
    And as to "GEO destroying Game Balance", what exactly changed? The content, or the playerbase? I've seen people complain that no one wants to take BRD for Capacity Point parties, and demand COR instead, overlooking the reason for why that is.

    I feel that way, way, way too much of the feedback I read on this forum and on others is created in a vacuum.
    The content creates it. Vex/Attune is ridiculously powerful when it's needed, and when it's not, other buffsets (focus/languor, acumen/malaise) are just as powerful and as I was saying before, geo buffs/debuffs apply to every element. Though weaker, geo can also entrust a third bubble to someone for a while.

    I see this argument all the time, that it's the players' fault for not trying alternative strategies. No, it's nice when the tank doesn't get debuffed at all and every nuke of any element lands at the best potency it could and it was easy to land debuffs/nukes on a resistant boss. I think it basically boils down bard being from a different era. The game has changed, some of bard's fundamentals have not.

    Places where bard does exceed GEO, GEO still performs well and so in less-hard content, people would rather shout for GEO because they see it work, know how it works, and see enough players playing the job.
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    Player Pups323's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by machini View Post
    And as to "GEO destroying Game Balance", what exactly changed? The content, or the playerbase? I've seen people complain that no one wants to take BRD for Capacity Point parties, and demand COR instead, overlooking the reason for why that is.

    I feel that way, way, way too much of the feedback I read on this forum and on others is created in a vacuum.
    It has everything to do with the buffs offered and the content you are doing and the value of mage buffs vs melee buffs, which is basically what brd vs geo is.

    Geo > bard/cor for cp parties, because the majority of cp parties rely on magic bursting apex mobs. Bards add very little to the mages in an apex party/ae party. Geo can add macc/mab or debuff meva/mdb. All of which make it easier to 1 shot mobs with magic bursts. A bard could haste/acc buff the dd to make opening the skill chain easier/faster, but it wont help the party kill the mob that much faster compared to geo.

    Bard also is kinda of a 1 trick pony, buff the group then wait on recasting buffs. Occasionally they can sleep/dispel as well, but so can a geo/rdm. The same geo can also churn out 40k+ magic burst and contribute to the party. THey can help heal, with a larger mana pool. Aspir to get mp back.

    The way the game is setup, magic dmg >> melee dmg, mostly because you need 1200 melee acc to hit anything, and with a magic burst you need maybe half the + macc on gear as melee need +acc.

    In theory, people could setup apex parties with just melee and do 3-4 step skill chains with 1 mage to magic burst. But that requires 3-4 melee to have enough acc to hit the mob, which again is the same hurdle. My pup with full hurc gear is sitting at 1050 acc with +25acc/atk +2 ta augments on each piece of herc gear. Aside from spending millions of gill throwing stones at it trying for 40acc/atk +3 ta, my only option is to gain 900 more jp for +25 more acc. If i went to level blm, with my geos mb gear, i would start with a blm with 40% mb +10 % over cap, and would be doing 50k+ on t5s, absolutely destroying what any melee could do if i played a different melee with the same augmented herc gear.

    The only way im hitting the 1100 acc mark without food is with 1200+ jp, or a few million in gil to throw at augments.
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    Player Lonnan's Avatar
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    Not sure if this the best place to post this, but can we please get barlight and bardark spells (and their aoe versions) added. It seems like the number of monsters (especially NMs) that use dark and light as their primary attack methods have jumped in recent years and it doesn't really make sense not to have the same mitigation options available to light and dark as to each of the other elements. (ie. Carols for all 8 elements, runes for all 8 elements, but bar spells only for 6). Please and thanks.
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