ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Kagato]

Pointless trials for pointless gear.

Ok. You try forking over 150mil gil and/or spending 2 full years of hosting dynamis runs to have a relic weapon only to be told that there's a weapon that's stronger and easier to get now. For free.

People, if you complain about Relics getting a boost and just say relics should just be ignored and "its time to move on to something new," you never had a relic before nor did you ever attempt at getting one.

And don't respond saying you have a relic, 2 relics, 5 relics, or whatever. You don't. No relic user would ever waste that much life on an item only to say "lol it's crap now, time to move on."

[Unctgtg]

Well reading the post above, the devs obviously don't see it the way you do.

Long ago they stated relics and mythics were going to be the top teir at 99 along with emp as third. But as it stands right now, emp 3-4 days, relics 3months-2 years to get (and get blown away by emp).

But SE has spoken.

edit: haha how bad is it that I have left this browser open for nearly 4 hrs since SE posted the message lol

[Naratu]

Ok. You try forking over 150mil gil and/or spending 2 full years of hosting dynamis runs to have a relic weapon only to be told that there's a weapon that's stronger and easier to get now. For free.

People, if you complain about Relics getting a boost and just say relics should just be ignored and "its time to move on to something new," you never had a relic before nor did you ever attempt at getting one.

And don't respond saying you have a relic, 2 relics, 5 relics, or whatever. You don't. No relic user would ever waste that much life on an item only to say "lol it's crap now, time to move on."

I agree with this completely. Everyone who is trying to say that relic owners should stop Q_Qing is stupid. Most of us spent a lot of time and gil to make these, which, yes, WERE once the best (situationally), but the cost was still the same regardless. I'm glad to see that relics are getting boosted, but it's stupid to make them easier and cheaper. All of the effort we put into getting them will be shot. What do we have to say we got out of it? Now that everyone and their mother will have one, there will be no originality of this game. Everyone will look exactly the same, as they do with empyreans. I really hope at 99 there's a weapon that takes a lot of effort to obtain and is THE best weapon. Otherwise, we'll all just be a bunch of clones, only different through how we play. But seriously, all of the people that say "we had our fun with our relics being the best, now it's time to move on" should really consider how much time and gil we spent to make these. Just because you could never afford it, doesn't mean you have the right to ask SE to make it cheaper. They were expensive and hard to obtain for a reason. They were meant to be the best. Making them easier doesn't even give them the right to be called "relics" or "mythics". They'll be like all the other weapons.

[Unctgtg]

I agree with this completely. Everyone who is trying to say that relic owners should stop Q_Qing is stupid. Most of us spent a lot of time and gil to make these, which, yes, WERE once the best (situationally), but the cost was still the same regardless. I'm glad to see that relics are getting boosted, but it's stupid to make them easier and cheaper. All of the effort we put into getting them will be shot. What do we have to say we got out of it? Now that everyone and their mother will have one, there will be no originality of this game. Everyone will look exactly the same, as they do with empyreans. I really hope at 99 there's a weapon that takes a lot of effort to obtain and is THE best weapon. Otherwise, we'll all just be a bunch of clones, only different through how we play. But seriously, all of the people that say "we had our fun with our relics being the best, now it's time to move on" should really consider how much time and gil we spent to make these. Just because you could never afford it, doesn't mean you have the right to ask SE to make it cheaper. They were expensive and hard to obtain for a reason. They were meant to be the best. Making them easier doesn't even give them the right to be called "relics" or "mythics". They'll be like all the other weapons.

Combine all 3? for the ultimate weapon?

[Swazy]

I think what people fail to understand about this Relic vs. Mythic vs. Empyrean thing is not that it's 'outdated content', but that it's a combination of relic/mythics being time-consuming and expensive, vs. empyreans which are relatively neither, AND they're better. If it were one or the other (empyreans were equally, or nearly as difficult, to complete, or were on par but easier), then the issue wouldn't really exist. As it stands right now though, it's kind of.... in need of some kind of adjustment.

[Francisco]

We are aware that right now, there is a major difference between Empyrean Weapons and Relic/Mythic Weapons.

Considering the current situation, we are considering about making an adjustment. We are planning to resolve this issue by strengthening both Relic and Mythic Weapons instead of weakening Empyrean Weapons.

Along with that, we are also planning to make an adjustment on both time and cost required to create and strengthen these weapons.
Eventually, we would like to even out the difference on time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

While certain empyreans outdamage certain relics, keep in mind certain relics outclass certain empyreans.

Also, in the case of the H2H weapons, while Verethragna outdamages Spharai, keep in mind Spharai_90 has over +10 counter on it... which is pretty huge.

Considering MNKs are typically capped on Subtle Blow (20 from traits, 5 from Rajas, 10 from Tantra Head +2, 5 from Black Belt, 10 from Auspice) - I would change the Aftermath of Final Heaven to be a strong Penance effect rather than a Subtle Blow effect. That way it boosts the entire party and isn't wasted.

And because Final Heaven sucks, I'd let it proc on any WS.

Other than that - I'd leave it alone. The DMG and Attack on it are already far superior to any other H2H weapon and just boosting it to DMG: 55 Attack+50 @ 90 would imbalance things in the grand scheme of the game.

Spharai provides amazing damage and excellent defense. Verethragna provides superior damage and no defense. That's the balance.

[Didgist]

I made Maat's cap because I enjoyed playing the game and being an asset to the community in any way possible. Relics don't save linkshells or make the game more enjoyable by themselves. It is the enjoyed time invested in making them, overcoming obstacles and innovating in ways that define you in the community. You didn't make your relic, the 18-40 people you had coming to dynamis to support your relics manifest destiny did. The dev team has recognized this and most of the community will ignore the small percentage of relic holders who do not understand that their relic was nothing more than a glory piece. Empyreans provide awesome rewards to everyone involved in the process of making them as well as making them more accessible to skilled players who aren't truly haijin. (Not me, I live in FFXI and only leave to sleep.)

Also Gjally and Aegis were the only real game breakers and most low man elite groups required both for big game, Yoichi maybe because of the enmity but the fact still stands they are glory pieces and only help one person think they are way too important. Someone dig up the video of the full errant RDM solo'ing Faust. That's what made Final Fantasy good, the levels of success you can reach based on skill and teamwork alone.

edit: Awesome typo.

[Sama]

Nothing is outdated; if it does, this whole game is outdated and pointless.

[Francisco]

Nothing is outdated; if it does, this whole game is outdated and pointless.

90% of the gear in this game is outdated and/or useless.

[Rambus]

We are aware that right now, there is a major difference between Empyrean Weapons and Relic/Mythic Weapons.

Considering the current situation, we are considering about making an adjustment. We are planning to resolve this issue by strengthening both Relic and Mythic Weapons instead of weakening Empyrean Weapons.

Along with that, we are also planning to make an adjustment on both time and cost required to create and strengthen these weapons.
Eventually, we would like to even out the difference on time required to create and strengthen these weapons.

thank you XD