Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Cream_Soda]

Because they kiss your behind, right?

First off, why Square-Enix allows Astral Burning (read: Zone Monopolization) is beyond any sense of my reading of the ToS.

Second, the point is that we want people to actually *gasp -- and this might shock you* play the job before they get to level 90/95/99!!

We know what you want. It just so happens we don't care, frankly.

Do things your way and we'll do em our way. If you're against abyssea leveling, then level your jobs the traditional way. Nobody is stopping you.

[Rubeus]

to the "made scrolls more expensive" comment: um.. new players need money too? everyone complains about gil-buyers but isn't willing to share the golden goose. this confuses me beyond reproach.

to the "old way produces better players" comment: what old players? go statistic FFXI's average non-gil-farming Brand New player base. I could probably count them across servers on one hand. Plus, if I've levelled BLM to 90 and WHM to 90 and my ls doesnt mind me keying in abyssea on RDM... what, exactly, am i NOT learning how to do on my job? case in point: i also have BRD and THF lvled to 90; so my dancer 42 (which doesn't get invites barely at all, but greatly helps my THF solo) should be punished and -have- to FoV because everyone's off abyssea-ing while I LFP forever? I don't think so.

to the "people dont play their job before 90" comment: um.. towards 65+ you ARE expected to stop key-whoring and actually, you know... hit things/cure/etc. It's not a free ride unless you, the player, decides to strictly keywhore only. in which case... why are you playing this game/any job in particular if that's ALL you're going to do?

final analysis: you're stuck on reminiscing and want to force us to do it too WHILE simultaneously ignoring the economic backlash and playerbase that would STOP playing because of this. That's called ignorance, by the way. Having facts presented to you and going, "I don't see it that way so it CAN'T EXIST THAT WAY." You can't have your cake and eat it too. Get over it or go outside for 5 minutes; the real world doesn't work like this. Neither do business models.

[Alhanelem]

There is nothing wrong with the level minimum.

If you don't like the people who do this, then just don't group with them. It's not like they won't have to level up combat skills to be actually useful, and in most cases they're just raising a subjob which they never intend to use as a main.

Besides, this practice has decreased with the improvement to EXP outside of abyssea.

[ZeDingo]

Here he is whining about 30-90 in Abyssea when I had to go 65-75 on WHM in Campaign.
Though when I saw the /BRD bots, I looked up the exp tables and had an idea. I came to CB as WHM/BRD and casted absolutely everything I had while meleeing. Profit followed.

[Starcade]

We know what you want. It just so happens we don't care, frankly.

Do things your way and we'll do em our way. If you're against abyssea leveling, then level your jobs the traditional way. Nobody is stopping you.

I'm against the sitting around and leeching off the efforts of others which Abyssea has created. If that's a problem with you, then I can see why you don't care, because you also don't care about anything other than yourself.

[Starcade]

Here he is whining about 30-90 in Abyssea when I had to go 65-75 on WHM in Campaign.
Though when I saw the /BRD bots, I looked up the exp tables and had an idea. I came to CB as WHM/BRD and casted absolutely everything I had while meleeing. Profit followed.

... until Square-Enix got smart and nailed the BRD bots.

[ZeDingo]

... until Square-Enix got smart and nailed the BRD bots.

Luckily I was already 74 at that point, just didn't have /DNC or smexy gear to WHM tank even a trash mob.

[Topdogg]

people are right about one thing, they should raise the min lvl for abyssea. But, tbh it's too late now. If they changed it now, there will be alot of angry people. I really do think they should raise it to lvl 50 though. Lvl 50 is a fair increase I think but honestly it shouldve been Lvl 75 at the start. But again it's too late to change it now. The Lvl 30 access has just encouraged ppl to burn their jobs without caring of skillups or hands on skill and it makes it hard for others when choosing players for events because you dont know if they suck or not. Has also ruined lower lvl parties for those who dont have Abyssea. But yeah, Lvl 50 sounds fair.

[Cream_Soda]

I'm against the sitting around and leeching off the efforts of others which Abyssea has created. If that's a problem with you, then I can see why you don't care, because you also don't care about anything other than yourself.

way to assume

[Dubberrucky]

You nailed the real problem right on the head topdogg. Its not that people that do not aby burn care if you waste your money on standing around in a video game but more that it effects those of us who try and are fooled by your fake levels when we look for high level participants.