The importance of job points

[Zarchery]

Nothing is required. You can stand around a starter zone wacking level one mobs for all eternity because you don't actually NEED to level up or gear or anything. Saying people don't need them is meaningless. If you don't need them then you shouldn't care how I get them.

This all boils down to people wanting things. You want job points to remain the same. Other people want to max out their characters without having to farm (as much) JP to do it.If they were to make JP far easier to obtain, the only downside for you would be that you couldn't come on here and call people lazy for not having them..

I would never call anyone lazy for not having job points. I would call them lazy for demanding that they get to have them without doing anything. What the Hell does it matter how much somebody wants something? That is such an infuriating sense of entitlement to say "I want this! I don't want to put in any effort! Gimme!" You sound like a 5 year old.

I don't want to go around beating on mobs for nothing in return. I want to beat mobs for progression. When I get job points, I want it to mean something. I want it to mean that I put effort into obtaining something I am proud of. What the Hell is the point of even playing a video game if everything is just given to you effortlessly?

Again, you keep dodging the question. The topic here is on the importance of job points. As in, are job points becoming so important that you must have them to function in the game? What is the consequence of not having capped job points? The only consequence any of you guys can come up with is "I don't have capped job points!"

The consequence of not going through the effort to obtain a mythic weapon is that you don't have a mythic weapon.
The consequence of not having Delve wins is that you don't have access to certain useful pieces of gear.
The consequence of not getting to Sea is that you can't reforge artifact and Dynamis armor.

The consequence of ALL this is the same: if you don't actually put in the effort to obtain a goal, you don't get the benefits of that goal. You said you had a high paying job and several homes. I'd like those things. Can I have them while I just sit at home all day goofing off? It shouldn't make any difference to you if you still have them. And going by your logic... I deserve those things and it's unfair if I don't have them.

What kind of game do you want? Something where you just log on and get everything because you don't want to put in any effort? Why can't these people just do the 6000 other things that require minimal effort and can be soloed? Honest to God, you sound like a child bickering because mommy gave big brother a fancy new toy.

And you know what? I actually think there IS room for improvement in the job points system. I'm not actually totally with Protey on this. I'd like to see something like the +75% XP bonus Expertise Ring purchasable with login points, but for Capacity Points. I'd like to see them cut down the crazy evasion on those VT/IT mobs in the Gates zones so that you don't need a BRD/COR/GEO to roll (no matter how much accuracy I stack on my level 119 Monk I still can't get these things to check as anything but high evasion without adding on sushi... and even with sushi they're still high evasion if I don't stack accuracy gear). I'd actually love to see Double Capacity Points be a scheduled thing, say 7 to 10 days a month, instead of a random occurrence.

But here's the thing about making things easier..... they're still too hard for some people who lack patience. If you cut down the number of CP per job point to 10,000, you KNOW that people would demand it to cut down to 5,000 or 1,000. If you made double CP permanent, that would become the new normal and people would want more. People still complain about levelling being too slow even though XP and limit points are thrown at us left and right.

What I don't think is that job points are anything more than a "nice thing to have" like a mythic weapon or Tinhaspa or Jugo Kukri or Emet Harness. You don't get any of these things unless you put in some effort.