Please SE we need the Linkshell "war and drama" back in the game

[Selindrile]

Do you seriously think people just leveled up at those camps? Even more so my comment mention 1-75? Colibri 1-75? Thanks for supporting what I said.

I seriously remember very well (on Unicorn at least) that from around 55-75, well over 70% of my exp parties were on fliers from that point on, and especially after the 2H rebalance, Drg got FAR more popular.

Pre-55, yes there were still a mix of camps, at least until WotG came out, and it was all Colibri and Ladybugs from there on out starting at Lv28ish, and level sync, we overwhelmingly exped on peircing weak mobs from Aht Urghan forward, before that, it was very different. Though bats and flies and worms were always a favorite exp target when they could be chosen as well, but pre-toau there was definitely more variety in target choice.

[FrankReynolds]

Do you seriously think people just leveled up at those camps? Even more so my comment mention 1-75? Colibri 1-75? Thanks for supporting what I said.

During the time period in question? Yes. For the most part, people just leveled up on flying things. If they didn't, they were at a slower camp. And let's not forget that grinding merits was a thing back then too. You didn't just hit 75 and call it a day. You killed piercing weak mobs pretty much indefinitely once you hit 75.

Don't construe facts of the implications someone said into insults. The person blatantly implies they were bad.

That first sentence didn't really make any sense, but whatever. That person in no way implied that they were bad. At no point did they say anything that implied any skill level whatsoever. There were no references to performance good or bad in any of their statements.

[Dazusu]

I would love to see the addition of 21-24 hour HNM, 3-5 day HNM, and more multi-zone roaming HNM (Ixion, Sandworm).

However, were this to happen, I would want assurance from the development team that content in its current form would continue to come at the same rate and not suffer as a consequence.

There's absolutely no reason that 6 man Delve (and other more recent end-game) can't co-exist with HNMs; then people that don't want to touch HNMs don't have to. They never have to see them.

I also miss timed/event content designed for 18 players (i.e. Delve, Einherjar), but I fear that the population has shrunk so far now that gathering 18 people might be almost impossible.

I've said this all along, SE should be catering to people who want to play (and participate in end-game) casually (or without the stress of dealing with narcissistic end-game a-holes), and they should also cater to those who want to invest a lot more time doing monotonous things. The problem seems to be the vocal minority (of either group) crying on the forums about how "I don't like what the other group likes, so therefor it shouldn't be in the game ever - and if anyone even dares mention it, I'll have a tantrum stating my opinion on why I don't like it as if its fact". So much of that going on in this thread.

Take me back to CoP, I want to go EXP on Catoblepas in Bibiki Bay and magic burst Thundaga III.

[FrankReynolds]

I would love to see the addition of 21-24 hour HNM, 3-5 day HNM, and more multi-zone roaming HNM (Ixion, Sandworm).

However, were this to happen, I would want assurance from the development team that content in its current form would continue to come at the same rate and not suffer as a consequence.

There's absolutely no reason that 6 man Delve (and other more recent end-game) can't co-exist with HNMs; then people that don't want to touch HNMs don't have to. They never have to see them.

I also miss timed/event content designed for 18 players (i.e. Delve, Einherjar), but I fear that the population has shrunk so far now that gathering 18 people might be almost impossible.

I've said this all along, SE should be catering to people who want to play (and participate in end-game) casually (or without the stress of dealing with narcissistic end-game a-holes), and they should also cater to those who want to invest a lot more time doing monotonous things. The problem seems to be the vocal minority (of either group) crying on the forums about how "I don't like what the other group likes, so therefor it shouldn't be in the game ever - and if anyone even dares mention it, I'll have a tantrum stating my opinion on why I don't like it as if its fact". So much of that going on in this thread.

Take me back to CoP, I want to go EXP on Catoblepas in Bibiki Bay and magic burst Thundaga III.

I think a lot of the reason people get so pissed when people mention these things is that SE never ever implements them in a way that will please both crowds. People feel like they have to rail against any ideas involving timed spawn HNMs because if SE actually puts them back in the game, they are bound to do it horribly wrong at the expense of the people who don't want to do them.

And I keep saying this every time some nostalgia thread gets made, but here goes again. None of the old content was removed from the game. It's all still there. But, People aren't really yearning for the old content. They are yearning for everyone else to be forced to do it with them.

[PlumbGame]

During the time period in question? Yes. For the most part, people just leveled up on flying things. If they didn't, they were at a slower camp. And let's not forget that grinding merits was a thing back then too. You didn't just hit 75 and call it a day. You killed piercing weak mobs pretty much indefinitely once you hit 75.





That first sentence didn't really make any sense, but whatever. That person in no way implied that they were bad. At no point did they say anything that implied any skill level whatsoever. There were no references to performance good or bad in any of their statements.

I don't know what game you were playing, but this isn't Bird Fantasy 11. People did not level up to 75 from level 1 off just birds.

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suggested but not directly expressed; implicit.
"she was aware of his implied criticism"

im·ply
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verb
past tense: implied; past participle: implied

strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated).
"the salesmen who uses jargon to imply his superior knowledge"
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[PlumbGame]

Take me back to CoP, I want to go EXP on Catoblepas in Bibiki Bay and magic burst Thundaga III.

This didn't happen. People only killed birds.

[detlef]

This didn't happen. People only killed birds.

Pre-ToAU people XPed on Catoblepas in Bibiki Bay. Once ToAU came around then yes you are correct, it was nothing but birds.

[Camiie]

This didn't happen. People only killed birds.

Seriously, this all started because you denied that people ever had to put their flags up wait for hours for XP. You're the one who's ignorant, and I mean that not as an insult but simply the truth, if you are unaware of the game's past where that was indeed commonplace. I started around the time COP was released, and that's how it was then and long before. If you had played DRG then instead of during ToAU, you would understand.

Anyone who tried to level a DD job in that era will tell you what a chore it was. And no it wasn't hard, I want to go ahead and say that before you start reading that in to what I'm typing, but it was very tedious. There was no effective way to solo back then unless you were a BST or /BST and that was by no means fast XP. So yeah if you wanted XP you waited for a group either hoping one would pick you or trying to piece one together from who was available. Yeah you could craft, but that didn't net you XP. You were still waiting. Some nights you just were unable to make any progress with XP at all. It's great that you never had to deal with that, but those who came before you like myself did. Trust me, better players than you or I could ever hope to be suffered just as much. Waiting for XP wasn't a sign of being bad. It was a sign of playing FFXI.

[PlumbGame]

Seriously, this all started because you denied that people ever had to put their flags up wait for hours for XP. You're the one who's ignorant, and I mean that not as an insult but simply the truth, if you are unaware of the game's past where that was indeed commonplace. I started around the time COP was released, and that's how it was then and long before. If you had played DRG then instead of during ToAU, you would understand.

Anyone who tried to level a DD job in that era will tell you what a chore it was. And no it wasn't hard, I want to go ahead and say that before you start reading that in to what I'm typing, but it was very tedious. There was no effective way to solo back then unless you were a BST or /BST and that was by no means fast XP. So yeah if you wanted XP you waited for a group either hoping one would pick you or trying to piece one together from who was available. Yeah you could craft, but that didn't net you XP. You were still waiting. Some nights you just were unable to make any progress with XP at all. It's great that you never had to deal with that, but those who came before you like myself did. Trust me, better players than you or I could ever hope to be suffered just as much. Waiting for XP wasn't a sign of being bad. It was a sign of playing FFXI.

I have never denied people putting their flag up for hours. I denied the far fetched tale that you sat daily LFP walking up hill both ways in the snow every day for 8 hours BS that people like you spew. Tt would practically of been impossible for you to hit 75, or some odd years by the way you played, which would then make YOU the exception, because the game was full of hundreds of thousands of players that hit 75 no problem and didn't have the issues lvling that you portray.

You came before me? Been playing since the NA launch and have never experienced this kind of garbage, and if you had access to JP versions somehow gratz, still doesn't change anything.

[FrankReynolds]

I don't know what game you were playing, but this isn't Bird Fantasy 11. People did not level up to 75 from level 1 off just birds.

con·strue
kənˈstro͞o/
verb
verb: construe; 3rd person present: construes; past tense: construed; past participle: construed; gerund or present participle: construing

interpret (a word or action) in a particular way.
"his words could hardly be construed as an apology"
synonyms: interpret, understand, read, see, take, take to mean, regard
"I'm not sure you've properly construed what I just said"
dated
analyze the syntax of (a text, sentence, or word).
"both verbs can be construed with either infinitive"
dated
translate (a passage or author) word for word, typically aloud.



im·plied
imˈplīd/
adjective
adjective: implied

suggested but not directly expressed; implicit.
"she was aware of his implied criticism"

im·ply
imˈplī/
verb
past tense: implied; past participle: implied

strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated).
"the salesmen who uses jargon to imply his superior knowledge"
synonyms: insinuate, suggest, hint (at), intimate, say indirectly, indicate, give someone to understand, convey the impression, signal
"are you implying he is mad?"
(of a fact or occurrence) suggest (something) as a logical consequence.
"the forecasted traffic increase implied more roads and more air pollution"
synonyms: involve, entail; More

Perhaps you could show me where the person implied that they sucked instead of copy / pasting words that you don't understand off the internet...

I have never denied people putting their flag up for hours. I denied the far fetched tale that you sat daily LFP walking up hill both ways in the snow every day for 8 hours BS that people like you spew. Tt would practically of been impossible for you to hit 75, or some odd years by the way you played, which would then make YOU the exception, because the game was full of hundreds of thousands of players that hit 75 no problem and didn't have the issues lvling that you portray.

You came before me? Been playing since the NA launch and have never experienced this kind of garbage, and if you had access to JP versions somehow gratz, still doesn't change anything.

Literally millions of posts and comments on hundreds of websites regarding this game beg to differ.

maybe you should take a look at this.