Avatar's Favor still lackluster

[Malithar]

Love how this continued to be rolled out with no replies to the additional feedback about this. Great job of working with your community, SE.

Not that they're really known for going back and fourth for feedback, but the feedback given specifically about the favor has been in general "this will be better then it is now." Might even make it an important aspect of Smn depending on just how much MP you need to use to cap the potency, and just how high the potency goes.

[Rwolf]

I'm just hoping since Avatar's Favor stays on you as a buff without an avatar active the new favor cap will cumulatively carry over swapping out avatars. If not, it won't address the real issue which is consistent resummoning.

[Rakshaka]

I'm just hoping since Avatar's Favor stays on you as a buff without an avatar active the new favor cap will cumulatively carry over swapping out avatars. If not, it won't address the real issue which is consistent resummoning.

Resummoning was a minor issue. The major issue was the fact that Favor lost potency when performing a blood pact. This meant that you had to have your avatar out and do nothing in order to effectively provide a potent favor buff. The fact that favor is reset upon resummoning the same avatar is necessary to prevent it from being overpowered. Besides, with the "Favor's potency is increased on blood pact usage" change, it makes the reset upon resummoning even more necessary because you'll hit the potency cap much faster. The increased potency upon BP change will also help foster better smn gameplay; they'll have to BP after resummoning if they want to maintain a high Favor potency. Hopefully this will make more smns think about BPing at the right time, instead of spamming a BP whenever it's up, e.g. if your avatar is tanking, don't BP when it has 10% hp left, it'll just get hate and die; resummon the avatar when you get the chance, then BP while your avatar is at 100% so it can hold hate longer before dying.

[Zeargi]

Resummoning was a minor issue. The major issue was the fact that Favor lost potency when performing a blood pact. This meant that you had to have your avatar out and do nothing in order to effectively provide a potent favor buff. The fact that favor is reset upon resummoning the same avatar is necessary to prevent it from being overpowered. Besides, with the "Favor's potency is increased on blood pact usage" change, it makes the reset upon resummoning even more necessary because you'll hit the potency cap much faster. The increased potency upon BP change will also help foster better smn gameplay; they'll have to BP after resummoning if they want to maintain a high Favor potency. Hopefully this will make more smns think about BPing at the right time, instead of spamming a BP whenever it's up, e.g. if your avatar is tanking, don't BP when it has 10% hp left, it'll just get hate and die; resummon the avatar when you get the chance, then BP while your avatar is at 100% so it can hold hate longer before dying.

To be honest, I don't feel that there will be any loss of favor effectiveness now. So there's no need to 'maintain' it, as much so for you to nurture it. So, from my understanding of what is read, the Favor will increase like it always does, but while now Jump/Spike with BP usage. I will agree that there will need some bit of strategy if they make it so that BPs will increase the cap, but I don't think that's exactly how it'll work. It's a supportive JA anyway, so this leads to greater avenues of things I.E. Maybe more summons for us to get to branch out more abilities. (though not likely, but a hopeful dream :3)

[Crevox]

The effects of Avator's Favor have been increased.

Results of favor testing:

Carbuncle: Same
Garuda: Same
Titan: Same
Diabolos: Same

None of the others are testable super quick and easily for me.

So... what does this mean exactly from the patch notes?

[Frodnon]

Results of favor testing:

Carbuncle: Same
Garuda: Same
Titan: Same
Diabolos: Same

None of the others are testable super quick and easily for me.

So... what does this mean exactly from the patch notes?

As i thought, and tested, there's one higher tier for Favor, but it seems broken or based on convoker's and not simply a high enough skill level.

I'm showing 87 defence from titan with 560 skill on AND convoker's horn +2. Both wikis have cap for 447 skil & convoker's+2 at 82 def.

[Byrth]

BGwiki has >512 skill with Caller's Horn +2 being 87 DEF: http://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Avatar%27s_Favor

The info was added on October 14th. Technically it was implied before, but Spicyryan spelled out the information that was already on the page with another column that added 2*tier potency to the 512 value so people wouldn't have to do math.

Either way, that testing doesn't indicate that anything has changed.

[Crevox]

It was always 87 defense. If you want hard numbers, you can see Papesse's testing here from before the patch:

512 skill and Caller's Horn +2 :
Carbuncle : 24 HP/tick
Ifrit : 21~24 DA
Titan : 87 DEF
Garuda : 31 EVA
Shiva : 13 MAB
Ramuh : 21% Critical Hit Rate
Diabolos : 6 MP/tick
Caith Sith : 15 MDB

There is no new tier, and there are no new effects. All they changed was BPs lowering tiers into raising tiers.

[Clou777]

Summoner
The following Blood Pacts: Rage will have skillchain elements added.
Ecliptic Bite / Flaming Crush / Mountain Buster / Spinning Dive / Predator Claws / Rush / Chaotic Strike
The job ability Avatar’s Favor will undergo the following adjustments.
The effects of Avatar’s Favor will be increased.
The effects of Avatar’s favor will increased based on the amount of MP consumed when using a Blood Pact: Rage or Blood Pact: Ward.

Have the Effects been increased? I dont think so.

[Artharian]

To coincide with the increased effect of Avatar’s Favor, we’ve eliminated the effect penalty when using Blood Pacts, and made it so that each time you use a Blood Pact the effect of Avatar’s Favor grows.

I think Crevox's testing and analysis hits the nail on the head, along with the wording from the Freshly Picked...the favour grows (i.e. goes up through the tiers) but there's not a cap increase. I could be wrong (often am! :-) ) but that's also backed up by my Diabolos testing which is, admittedly, a bit ad hoc.

Art.