Do you think one day there will be a MMORPG where helping others....

[mattkoko]

What I did say is often times people make rude and disrespectful comments toward others based off what job or sub job they are using. And that is an example of elitism, someone thinking they decide what is the best job or sub job and anyone else who disagrees with them sucks and is fair game to be mocked for it. But I never said sub jobs were irrelevant to gameplay.

Making rude and disrespectful comments toward someone is not an example being elite (elitism). Making rude and disrespectful comments toward someone is an example of being rude and disrespectful (or in common slang, being an asshole). You can be an elitist and be an asshole at the same time. But they are not the same thing. I believe someone already defined Elitism earlier in this thread so I will refrain from defining it again. It is possible to be Elite and be respectful or helpful to someone or a group. Using your example of said players saying someone sucks or mocking them for their gear and subjob, you do not need to be elite or even think you are elite to do this. This person is an asshole. Whether this person is Elite or not is a different story.

[Afania]

I got no real problem with anything you said here. You make a bigger deal out of 5% more damage than I would. But at least you recognize there are times when a DD should make arrangements to assist in their own survival.

We will just have to agree to disagree about the importance of parsing.

You can disagree then. I tend to view how things work by numbers, if I can't measure things in number I translate them into numbers. IMO it's a more efficient way to manage team and performance.

I won't go emo say "you suck!" if I see someone being 5% behind, but if one person is always 5% behind after 20 parses, then there must be a reason......either the other guy is the main assist or something wrong with how they gear. I'll just keep in mind that one player is 5% behind another.

[Afania]

Parsing isn't a good indicator period in my opinion. Doesn't matter what job it is.

And I'm not really talking about this thread when I accuse elitism of being to blame for much of the rudeness I encounter. I'm talking about in-game. So take my comments in that context. And just for the record I felt you were unjustly attack earlier because I haven't seen you make any personal attacks toward anyone in this thread. So I agree with you there has been disrespectful comments made in this thread that were not based on elitism. So maybe hearing me say this helps.

As far as your sub job comments, I never said pointing out sub jobs is irrelevant to gameplay. So what really doesn't make sense is putting something I never said in quotes and then telling me I made no sense because I said something I never did.

What I did say is often times people make rude and disrespectful comments toward others based off what job or sub job they are using. And that is an example of elitism, someone thinking they decide what is the best job or sub job and anyone else who disagrees with them sucks and is fair game to be mocked for it. But I never said sub jobs were irrelevant to gameplay.

We must have very different gameplay experience then, cuz I rarely see disrespectful comment in game.....if someone is unhappy with other's SJ choice, they tend to say in /l, but not right in their face.

Also ppl tend to make comment about SJ mainly because certain jobs has no real reason to use certain SJ. If I see a MNK/DNC or SAM/DNC in endgame, I'd be confused as well. If that person can come up with a good reason to /DNC on DD jobs, sure. But most of the time they can't.

[Dale]

Making rude and disrespectful comments toward someone is not an example being elite (elitism). Making rude and disrespectful comments toward someone is an example of being rude and disrespectful (or in common slang, being an asshole). You can be an elitist and be an asshole at the same time. But they are not the same thing. I believe someone already defined Elitism earlier in this thread so I will refrain from defining it again. It is possible to be Elite and be respectful or helpful to someone or a group. Using your example of said players saying someone sucks or mocking them for their gear and subjob, you do not need to be elite or even think you are elite to do this. This person is an asshole. Whether this person is Elite or not is a different story.

Elitism is the attitude or behavior of someone who thinks they are better than you. That's is basically what it is.

So if someone comes up to me and starts mocking my job because they believe their job is superior then that's an example of elitism.

[Dale]

We must have very different gameplay experience then, cuz I rarely see disrespectful comment in game.....if someone is unhappy with other's SJ choice, they tend to say in /l, but not right in their face.

Also ppl tend to make comment about SJ mainly because certain jobs has no real reason to use certain SJ. If I see a MNK/DNC or SAM/DNC in endgame, I'd be confused as well. If that person can come up with a good reason to /DNC on DD jobs, sure. But most of the time they can't.

It's safe to say we've had different experiences on this game then. Because I have seen a lot of players be rude to others.

[Afania]

Elitism is the attitude or behavior of someone who thinks they are better than you. That's is basically what it is.

So if someone comes up to me and starts mocking my job because they believe their job is superior then that's an example of elitism.

If you play jobs like DRK or WAR, then another SAM mocking DRK and WAR being inferior DD, then his comment isn't directed toward you. It's direct toward the job itself, you're taking this too personal.

That's not elitism, that's stating fact. Most of the DD job dmg dealing potential are decided by math, and certain jobs are mathematically weaker unless it has better gears/skill than others.

[Afania]

It's safe to say we've had different experiences on this game then. Because I have seen a lot of players be rude to others.

How about this, I've seen a lot of players being rude to others, but only 10%~20% of them are due to elitism.

Secretly complaining in /l doesn't count, since it's not really disrespectful if they don't say it in /p chat.

[Dale]

If you play jobs like DRK or WAR, then another SAM mocking DRK and WAR being inferior DD, then his comment isn't directed toward you. It's direct toward the job itself, you're taking this too personal.

That's not elitism, that's stating fact. Most of the DD job dmg dealing potential are decided by math, and certain jobs are mathematically weaker unless it has better gears/skill than others.

Rather that person thinks it's a fact or not doesn't really matter. Because I imagine most elitist do fancy the belief in their own superiority as a fact.

If someone thinks they are better than others for what ever reason: their job, how much money they have or damage they can do and as a result treat others with disdain based on this notion, then it's elitism. In other words: if someone goes around acting like they are better than others they have an elitist personality. But rather it's because they think they have a better job, more money, smarter or better looking lol it doesn't really matter. It's still an example of elitism.

Also: there is a huge difference in saying you think a Samurai can do more damage than a Dark Knight then going up to another player who is a Dark Knight and saying you suck and need to re-roll because Samurais are better than you.

[Afania]

Rather that person thinks it's a fact or not doesn't really matter. Because I imagine most elitist do fancy the belief in their own superiority as a fact.

If someone thinks they are better than others for what ever reason: their job, how much money they have or damage they can do and as a result treat others with disdain based on this notion, then it's elitism. In other words: if someone goes around acting like they are better than others they have an elitist personality. But rather it's because they think they have a better job, more money, smarter or better looking lol it doesn't really matter. It's still an example of elitism.

Also: there is a huge difference in saying you think a Samurai can do more damage than a Dark Knight then going up to another player who is a Dark Knight and saying you suck and need to re-roll because Samurais are better than you.

I think you're taking this too seriously - -.

I play BLU, everytime when I do delve on BLU my LSmate said something like..."Afania go lv SAM!" "Afania go lv WHM!" "lolBLU!" "You will never outparse my SAM!"I never feel disrespected when they said that, I know for fact that those comments weren't personal. I usually just replied with "BUT I WANNA BLLUUUUUUU!"

I also think that acting with disrespect and feeling superior are 2 different things. "My WHM is better than yours" may be based on the fact that my WHM has better gears and make less mistakes in event, with less death record. This does not has equal meaning as "I, Afania, is a superior individual than Dale/Jeremi"

Ppl tend to take things personal, even though most of the time it isn't their intention.

[Dale]

I think you're taking this too seriously - -.

I play BLU, everytime when I do delve on BLU my LSmate said something like..."Afania go lv SAM!" "Afania go lv WHM!" "lolBLU!" "You will never outparse my SAM!"I never feel disrespected when they said that, I know for fact that those comments weren't personal. I usually just replied with "BUT I WANNA BLLUUUUUUU!"

I also think that acting with disrespect and feeling superior are 2 different things. "My WHM is better than yours" may be based on the fact that my WHM has better gears and make less mistakes in event, with less death record. This does not has equal meaning as "I, Afania, is a superior individual than Dale/Jeremi"

Ppl tend to take things personal, even though most of the time it isn't their intention.

The comments I'm referring to though aren't just friendly jests like the ones you describe. They are very rude comments thrown at other players to demean and shame them. So we are talking about two very different things here.