Alex Supply and Salvage Cheating- Accounts Not Banned?

[PlumbGame]

Nowhere, everyone else is already in that place of comprehension where we understand how many words have common usage that may be different from when the word was created. We're at a place where we understand that the meaning of words change and evolve with common usage.

Then there's you.

There is no comprehension needed. I'm implying stating that vanilla is incorrect. You can argue however much you want that it is, but it isn't. Better yet, let's ignore the fact that it was a wikipedia post to support his claims, but the references for that post aren't of anything credible. Even more so if it was, you mention the evolution of words referring to something that is classic. Wouldn't the classic, or original meaning be better to refer to something that is classic or the original? Vanilla doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it. Sorry

[Alhanelem]

Whether or not the salvage bans were valid or not is a matter of debate, but I feel like they should at least be executing their rules and policies consistently. If the players in this case really cheated / exploited a bug or glitch, then they should be punished the same way people were the first time. Otherwise it looks bad and the people who were banned before for salvage have good reason to cry foul now that other people aren't being treated the same way.

[Selindrile]

There is no comprehension needed. I'm implying stating that vanilla is incorrect. You can argue however much you want that it is, but it isn't. Better yet, let's ignore the fact that it was a wikipedia post to support his claims, but the references for that post aren't of anything credible. Even more so if it was, you mention the evolution of words referring to something that is classic. Wouldn't the classic, or original meaning be better to refer to something that is classic or the original? Vanilla doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it. Sorry

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vanilla
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/vanilla
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plain-vanilla
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vanilla
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/vanilla
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/vanilla
http://www.yourdictionary.com/plain-vanilla
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vanilla
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/u...ican/vanilla_4
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dic...nglish/vanilla
http://dictionary.reverso.net/englis...lain%20vanilla

Classic, and original, while they aren't terrible descriptors, also could have multiple interpretations, and I would argue are less accurate than vanilla, these two especially may connotate that they refer to perhaps specifically an older version of the program. Not the "vanilla" but current FFXI POL/FFXI loader. While vanilla's other interpretation is obviously incorrect, thus, would cause less confusion than using classic or original in this case.

Official or basic or standard or unmodified, etc etc, would be more exact than vanilla, if you're really really reaching for a more universally fitting word than vanilla, but there's no reason to, 99.99% of people understood the meaning and agreed with it, including pretty much every big name dictionary company even if many only define such a usage as slang or colloquial, the meanings of words change over time, and most people are aware of this use of it, sorry.

[PlumbGame]

99.99% of the people? Who is the people, and where do you get your statistics?

[Selindrile]

Hyperboles are exaggerations to create emphasis or effect. As a literary device, hyperbole is often used in poetry, and is frequently encountered in casual speech, you may want to get acquainted with their use. That was another literary device, it is called sarcasm.

I just linked you many major dictionary publisher's websites, they consider this definition widespread enough to include it, what more is there to say?

[Bebekeke]

99.99% of the people? Who is the people, and where do you get your statistics?

43.8% of all statistics are made up.

I am apparently in the 0.01%

[Alhanelem]

Vanilla is definitely very commonly understood (at least in the computing world) to mean the core, base, original, first, etc. version of a piece of software (and still sometimes used outside of computers to refer to something being ordinary or unremarkable).

Lots of evolutions of our language don't make sense to everyone, but them not making sense to you does not remove the fact that other people still say it to have that meaning.

If it's not clear to you how this evolution of the word came about, it (most likely) comes from Vanilla being the most common flavor of things like ice cream or yogurt, and is often percieved as being 'plain' or 'original' or 'basic' (Even though yogurt in particular comes in a completely unflavored "plain" variety). So one day people started using 'vanilla' as an adjective to describe things with such characteristics.

[PlumbGame]

I completely understand the word of vanilla and it's use, but it is more correct to use other terms. It is more correct to use other stuff that are more-or-less, not referring to something not even relevant to the topic. Now if you ask my what flavor I like my ice cream, it would be vanilla all day.

Also, if you are referring to " : lacking distinction : plain, ordinary, conventional " type definitions to support your cause, you would be sorely mistaken. Lacking distinction from what? FFXI was it's own entity different from any other MMO. Did it have similar aspects to lets say games like EQ? Sure, but it was still different in a lot of different aspects and definitely not "plain, ordinary, or conventional". Even more so, here is the majority of definition from meridians dictionary. "The frosting is flavored with vanilla." "1
: flavored with vanilla " "The décor is pretty vanilla." ": having the flavor of vanilla" ": not having any special features or qualities" (which again, this would be relevant to the first comment). "a : vanilla bean b : a commercially important extract of the vanilla bean that is prepared by soaking comminuted vanilla beans in water and ethyl alcohol and that is used especially as a flavoring (as in pharmaceutical preparations) " ": any of a genus (Vanilla) of tropical American climbing orchids " So I'm confused, claiming that all your links refer to what you are defending. I decided to just look at the first 2 which both didn't before I gave up and realized you were making up fabrications.

Hyperbole copout lmao.

Don't give statistics if you are incorrect.

But as I can tell, once your mind is made up, it's made up. No point in arguing anymore, just pointing out the inaccuracy of "vanilla" compared to other terms when referring to the beginning of something.

[Lithera]

They were not calling XI vanilla but windower that doesn't have any of the bells or whistles as vanilla.*rolls eyes and headesks* you know like the basic model of a car that only has the things that come standard for that model. Instead of let's say leather seats and every seat can be heated. The windows can be heated ect. Obviously those things probably won't be included in the cheapest model of the car.

[Selindrile]

I completely understand the word of vanilla and it's use, but it is more correct to use other terms. It is more correct to use other stuff that are more-or-less, not referring to something not even relevant to the topic. Now if you ask my what flavor I like my ice cream, it would be vanilla all day.

Also, if you are referring to " : lacking distinction : plain, ordinary, conventional " type definitions to support your cause, you would be sorely mistaken. Lacking distinction from what? FFXI was it's own entity different from any other MMO. Did it have similar aspects to lets say games like EQ? Sure, but it was still different in a lot of different aspects and definitely not "plain, ordinary, or conventional". Even more so, here is the majority of definition from meridians dictionary. "The frosting is flavored with vanilla." "1
: flavored with vanilla " "The décor is pretty vanilla." ": having the flavor of vanilla" ": not having any special features or qualities" (which again, this would be relevant to the first comment). "a : vanilla bean b : a commercially important extract of the vanilla bean that is prepared by soaking comminuted vanilla beans in water and ethyl alcohol and that is used especially as a flavoring (as in pharmaceutical preparations) " ": any of a genus (Vanilla) of tropical American climbing orchids " So I'm confused, claiming that all your links refer to what you are defending. I decided to just look at the first 2 which both didn't before I gave up and realized you were making up fabrications.

Hyperbole copout lmao.

Don't give statistics if you are incorrect.

But as I can tell, once your mind is made up, it's made up. No point in arguing anymore, just pointing out the inaccuracy of "vanilla" compared to other terms when referring to the beginning of something.

Of course "the not having any special features or qualities", or "plain, ordinary, or conventional", or if you would've looked further, some of them mention computing specifically, this term was more exact than the suggestions you provided, less so than the ones I provided, but still plenty understandable. That obviously fake "statistic" was clearly there for amusement value and effect, just because you didn't appreciate it didn't mean others didn't.

It seems like you're at war with common speech, good luck with that, there's one thing I agree with you on, it's that there's no point in arguing, "vanilla" in this context is quite accurate and understandable by the writers of dictionaries, the stewards of our language, and clearly, by the majority of people who frequent this site, you stand alone here in your unwillingness to accept this widespread accepted use of the word. This is my last post on the subject, because you are clearly arguing for arguments sake.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vanilla : not having any special features or qualities; lacking distinction : plain, ordinary, conventional

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/de...2%80%93vanilla : not having any special features or qualities We bought the plain-vanilla CD player. [=the most basic model]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plain-vanilla : having no embellishments, extra equipment, elaborate packaging, etc.; plain; simple; down-to-earth:
I want a plain-vanilla car without a lot of chrome trim.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vanilla : Lacking adornments or special features; basic or ordinary: "We went through a period of vanilla cars"; ordinary or conventional: a vanilla kind of guy.; ordinary; commonplace.; plain and without any extras or adornments; "the most common type of bond is the straight or plain vanilla bond"; "the basic car is known as the vanilla version"; I've just got a plain vanilla insurance policy.

http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/vanilla : This word also describes things that are boring or plain.; plain and without any extras or adornments

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/vanilla : In information technology, vanilla (pronounced vah-NIHL-uh ) is an adjective meaning plain or basic. The unfeatured version of a product is sometimes referred to as the vanilla version.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/plain-vanilla : Lacking adornments or special features; basic or ordinary: plain vanilla stock options; a plain vanilla wardrobe.; Computer Definition - Refers to the bare minimum of functions that are known to be available in an application or system. Contrast with bells and whistles.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vanilla : (colloquial, chiefly computing) standard, plain, default, unmodified, basic

http://www.macmillandictionary.com/u...ican/vanilla_4 : of the basic ordinary type, with no special features

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dic...nglish/vanilla : ordinary or conventional ⇒ a vanilla kind of guy

http://dictionary.reverso.net/englis...lain%20vanilla : basic, standard, with no special features

The argument hinges around the vanilla-windower from windower.net, versus ones with Addons and Plugins, and term vanilla is quite appropriately used to distinguish them.