Alex Supply and Salvage Cheating- Accounts Not Banned?

[Malithar]

any "help" the exploit gave our server was minimal compared to the harm it caused.

I don't understand this outlook. What harm was caused? Alex price tanked for a bit? Cool, now people buying up Alex can make Mythics for less. Oh, the people legit farming for gil got hurt? That's funny, cause if they still farmed it, then it sounds like they were ok with the price they would get for it. Prices rise and fall for these things all the time, people make huge deals of when Dyna currency rises/falls 500 gil, but in the end, if you're farming it for gil, you're still going to do so simply because that's the market price at that moment. Where is the actual harm?

And if it's over Johnny-Obvious-Hax getting 3 Mythics in the time it took you to brew your morning coffee, so what? Worry less about others and more about yourself. In no way does anyone having access to those things harm others.

[Pantafernando]

I don't understand this outlook. What harm was caused? Alex price tanked for a bit? Cool, now people buying up Alex can make Mythics for less. Oh, the people legit farming for gil got hurt? That's funny, cause if they still farmed it, then it sounds like they were ok with the price they would get for it. Prices rise and fall for these things all the time, people make huge deals of when Dyna currency rises/falls 500 gil, but in the end, if you're farming it for gil, you're still going to do so simply because that's the market price at that moment. Where is the actual harm?

And if it's over Johnny-Obvious-Hax getting 3 Mythics in the time it took you to brew your morning coffee, so what? Worry less about others and more about yourself. In no way does anyone having access to those things harm others.

There is a minimum value where its worth spending time in one activity instead another. For sure, if someone farm alex, its because he judged that amount of cash was worth the time spent. Higher prices wouldnt change his conclusion, instead, just their profit.

But the harm is to people who conclude other means are more profitable than salvage based in a data generated through non legit means. Honestly, for me at least, alex is a stupid way to farm gil. Spending one hour for a random chance in a purse that can net maybe average 800k, isnt interesting. I would prefer skirmish or even dynamis. So, that people like me are driven to the others cash source like delve, skirmish, dynamis, where another profitable option that is salvage, keeps restricted to people who exploit a mechanism others dont have access. So, imo, more troublesome than the cheaters themselves, is the inequality of oportunity through a non legit exploit.

Personally, i dont care about punishment. I just want that those abusing to stop. If SE wants to bow to any rmt, thats their problem, just dont favor them despite legit players. I just ask to SE be more active combating those case. Its so damn easy to track.

I even extend this discussion to other cheats like clipper, cupper, etc. Delve and skirmish created a great market, be it selling materials, or be it selling drops. Obviously people have been since from start, using ilegit tools to beat content faster than legit players, thus profiting. And i firsr saw that when selling nyzul clear were the thing, ipersonally saw a group in phoenix with flee speed going through walls.

So, i ask, its so hard to monitor what happens in instanced places? Obviously allkind of dirty tricks happens there, why cant SE keep GM to monitor those places from time to time?

In the end, i dont even bother with cheaters. Im more pissed that SE is an accomplice of that.

Lame.

[Malithar]

There is a minimum value where its worth spending time in one activity instead another. For sure, if someone farm alex, its because he judged that amount of cash was worth the time spent. Higher prices wouldnt change his conclusion, instead, just their profit.

But the harm is to people who conclude other means are more profitable than salvage based in a data generated through non legit means. Honestly, for me at least, alex is a stupid way to farm gil. Spending one hour for a random chance in a purse that can net maybe average 800k, isnt interesting. I would prefer skirmish or even dynamis. So, that people like me are driven to the others cash source like delve, skirmish, dynamis, where another profitable option that is salvage, keeps restricted to people who exploit a mechanism others dont have access. So, imo, more troublesome than the cheaters themselves, is the inequality of oportunity through a non legit exploit.

Fair enough, didn't really look at it that way, as you said, I never judged Salvage or Dyna to be worth my time.

[dasva]

I would have to imagine that most of them would quit. The game is already lackluster due to the lack of content (SE making Delve a joke didn't help one bit), so I imagine a rollback would be the final straw needed to get someone to quit.
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I could see a random rollback making someone quit... but rolling back items and gil that was obtained by means that were clearly known to be cheating idk I would find it odd that someone would get mad over having give back stuff they cheated to get. That's like boycotting a store because they made you give the stuff you shop lifted back

[Redbeam]

but rolling back items and gil that was obtained by means that were clearly known to be cheating idk I would find it odd that someone would get mad over having give back stuff they cheated to get. That's like boycotting a store because they made you give the stuff you shop lifted back

Assuming that the alex is the only thing they did for [insert time period here]; unless they can roll back specific items or narrow down gil that was generated by the cheat. In the amount of time this apparently has been around, a character could lose a lot of progress. So if in the process of rolling back a mythic, if they lost a year's worth of upgrades (delve gear, high tier bc, and other things done); yea, I could see someone wanting to quit over that

It's more equivalent of shoplifting and the store taking what you stole back, plus everything you had on you when you walked into the store as well (cell phone, wallet, car keys, cash, etc.)

[dasva]

Assuming that the alex is the only thing they did for [insert time period here]; unless they can roll back specific items or narrow down gil that was generated by the cheat. In the amount of time this apparently has been around, a character could lose a lot of progress. So if in the process of rolling back a mythic, if they lost a year's worth of upgrades (delve gear, high tier bc, and other things done); yea, I could see someone wanting to quit over that

It's more equivalent of shoplifting and the store taking what you stole back, plus everything you had on you when you walked into the store as well (cell phone, wallet, car keys, cash, etc.)

Well I didn't mean like resetting them to exactly the way they were before more like just the alex or things gotten with said alex like gil/mythics which would probably be easier to do than resetting their character to the state it was a year before

[Panda2013]

Can the dev team atleast compensate players who play this game fairly? Letting hackers keep billions of gil is just unfair. Where's the "balance" now SE? @.@

[Panda2013]

Also that mentality of wanting to keep subscribers is dumb. I would say you are losing more subscribers while you keep the giving hand outs to hackers. Did you notice how the majority of the vanilla casual players left right after abyssea ended? And even before that. As the rise of "good" players who use 3rd party software to make battlefields easier and gil making faster, vanilla players started to disappear. Getting rid of these people would actually make this game interesting and on the difficulty the devs intended. Whenever new events come out they are easily conquered because of third party tools such as stun bots and clipper.

And come on SE, even free to play games have better means of stopping hackers. It's been over 10 years and the problem persists. Come on.

[Pixela]

They will lose them anyway, a player that gets all his goals completed will have no reason to play anymore, it's like someone playing Borderlands 2 legit vs someone that used a hacked save with everything unlocked. It also destroys that persons idea of what a decent amount of reward for his farming time is, totally skews their rime/reward ratio.

I don't care about them getting a 3 day or perma, they simply should not keep the ill gotten gains though. That is beyond terrible. At least they had the excuse during king botting that they could not prove it, here they have the exact logs and still don't take action. Why have GMs at all? The only cardinal sin left in FFXI is making money off the game (RMT), you can get away with pretty much anything else it seems.

It blows my mind that you can cheat with a low chance of getting caught, and if you do get caught they tap your bum say naughty naught and let you keep all the stuff you cheated. That's not even a punishment, that's not a deterrent. As bad as the original salvage bans were this is too much the other way.

[Camiie]

Oh and btw, lol@ anyone making comment saying "If SE ban all those cheaters the game will lose X% of player". Ppl tend to pretend their small circle of friends are the "majority".

Exactly. If everyone who ran this cheat was banned and never heard from again, I can assure SE and the rest of the FFXI world that nothing of any real value would be lost. Earth and Vana'diel would both keep on spinning just fine. It'd be the same if I left the game tomorrow. Other than my best friend and maybe a couple others no one would really miss me. Unlike the cheaters, I'm wise and humble enough to realize my place in the universe.

And if it's over Johnny-Obvious-Hax getting 3 Mythics in the time it took you to brew your morning coffee, so what? Worry less about others and more about yourself. In no way does anyone having access to those things harm others.

While these elitist hackers generally have a circle of sycophants and multi-box bots to help them do things, they don't entirely live in a bubble. They do sometimes venture out into the public at large and compete with the rest of us for party spots.

And while I don't know how many mythics were actually produced by this, I know that the more legendary class weapons there are in circulation, the more expectations are raised that everyone should have one.