Alex Supply and Salvage Cheating- Accounts Not Banned?

[Comeatmebro]

yes these things sort of exist, see: the afterglows pulled out of thin air

however, the rings aren't an exploit, he's just butthurt about a specific person dominating fenrir's -ite market

[Hoshi]

It feels a bit like baying for blood demanding that these people be perma-banned. You don't know how many players were involved or how far SE will go. Do you want the people who bought the cheap alex banned as well? I was making a mythic and buying alex left and right. It did seem odd to me that people had 1k+ alex in their bazaar but it did not occur to me that they were cheating.

I didn't agree with salvage ban 1.0 and I don't think these players should be perma-banned either. We lost a lot of cool people before (and with no rhyme nor reason - some of the worst offenders kept their accounts while people who duped once or twice were perma) and I think we'd loose some cool people this go round too.

[Belmonts]

yes these things sort of exist, see: the afterglows pulled out of thin air

however, the rings aren't an exploit, he's just butthurt about a specific person dominating fenrir's -ite market

LOL nah.

Besides butthurt will come from ppl they already banned lol, I got my gil legit and bought em, dun have GS leveled.

Anyways, unless you're a developer or you are actually exploiting/data mining/injecting ffxi code all these statements, yours and mine, are speculations lol. Just pointing out what has been happening on the server, those ppl were well known and their banning rants spread out quickly.

Heard directly from em ? I wish, but I know their friends.

Only want to SE be fair and square on all these cheating crap.

Peace, lol.

[Comeatmebro]

the bans on fenrir were related to the buffer overflow and AH botting, and no 5150/his mules don't have an exploit to force HQ(you're right that I can't 100% say one doesn't exist, but the people you're talking about don't have one if it does)

you just assumed it because you saw how many rings they had and it made you jealous, the reality is that he NPCs the less valuable NQs..

[Belmonts]

the bans on fenrir were related to the buffer overflow and AH botting, and no 5150/his mules don't have an exploit to force HQ(you're right that I can't 100% say one doesn't exist, but the people you're talking about don't have one if it does)

you just assumed it because you saw how many rings they had and it made you jealous, the reality is that he NPCs the less valuable NQs..

Me Jelly ? *gasps* ('Д') lol nah.　(・ω・)/

I was able to live very comfy with them in or out the server lol. If you wanna tell who they were, be my guest. lol

It was interesting tho how they were banned only after they got 5+ RMEs and prolly with afterglow, but I'm so lazy and also dun care that much if they went that far.

[Mefuki]

I didn't agree with salvage ban 1.0 and I don't think these players should be perma-banned either.

Fine, but at least dole out some actual punishment. We now have people running around that SE knows directly cheated to get A LOT of their gil and a lot of mythics. SE should take something away. All the offenders' gil or their mythics or something else. From what I've seen, the offenders don't have any remorse for what they did to themselves, the community and the game in general, so SE needs to drive the point home. Don't ban them, fine, but do some sort of reset. If you're caught cheating, it should be standard procedure to take away the hacked items or gil bare minimum.

I mean, not only have the offenders forced themselves that much closer to quitting because they have nothing to do but it cheapens the dedication of every member of the community that puts in their time to accomplish bigger goals, throwing into question if you actually earned that REM whenever you see one. It's bad for the game in every way and is just plain selfish.

I didn't necessarily agree with Salvage 1.0 bans either but do SOMETHING. The offenders are walking around with impunity. "That was a nice vacation.", indeed...

[Safiyyah]

It feels a bit like baying for blood demanding that these people be perma-banned. You don't know how many players were involved or how far SE will go. Do you want the people who bought the cheap alex banned as well? I was making a mythic and buying alex left and right. It did seem odd to me that people had 1k+ alex in their bazaar but it did not occur to me that they were cheating.

I didn't agree with salvage ban 1.0 and I don't think these players should be perma-banned either. We lost a lot of cool people before (and with no rhyme nor reason - some of the worst offenders kept their accounts while people who duped once or twice were perma) and I think we'd loose some cool people this go round too.

It's difficult to prove which players bought alex that was farmed through this cheat. But S-E knows who took advantage of the cheat directly. No, it's not unfair to ban these cheaters. Do you deny that the cheating had a major effect on the world economy, including devaluing the efforts of legitimate farmers? Do you deny that some players benefited greatly on their own characters with gil and mythics?

The only correct response is for S-E to bring the hammer down with perma-bans for all accounts involved. Yes, it sucks to lose some of the server population, but, on Sylph, the cheaters are mostly concentrated in two linkshells. I say good riddance. They shouldn't benefit from this and continue on as if nothing happened.

[Dazusu]

But S-E knows who took advantage of the cheat directly.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

[Vold]

It feels a bit like baying for blood demanding that these people be perma-banned. You don't know how many players were involved or how far SE will go. Do you want the people who bought the cheap alex banned as well? I was making a mythic and buying alex left and right. It did seem odd to me that people had 1k+ alex in their bazaar but it did not occur to me that they were cheating.

I didn't agree with salvage ban 1.0 and I don't think these players should be perma-banned either. We lost a lot of cool people before (and with no rhyme nor reason - some of the worst offenders kept their accounts while people who duped once or twice were perma) and I think we'd loose some cool people this go round too.

Cool or not, cheaters are cheaters. They knowingly risked losing their accounts because they did not want to grind for their rewards. It sort of matters when your individual progression means something, like getting a simple PT invite before someone who hasn't done nearly the amount of work you have. If you do all that work, you want everyone else to be doing it too out of fairness.

I don't necessarily feel anyone who duped Salvage this go around deserves to be perma banned. I always feel, most of the time, people should get a month ban and all items/gil duped, stripped. Only after repeat offenses do you perma ban. I do feel it's complete and utter bull that they were not stripped of what they gained, and then brag about how much the 72 hr ban was worth it. This sends an awful message to everyone playing the game, that cheating pays off and you shouldn't be scared of losing your account in 2014 and beyond.

And if this thread here leads to SE taking a stronger action against them, I feel no sympathy for them, specifically anyone who is dumb enough to go brag about the thing on the internet for the lulz. I wonder if the lulz is worth a perma ban? Did we not learn this past weekend, and further back around Aug 21 that stupid is as stupid does? If you keep your flippin' mouth shut, if you S.T.F.U., if you don't take nudes of yourself with a smartphone, or tell your soon to be ex BF that you banged guy after guy, no one is the wiser.

But you kids, you just can't resist not bragging, even if it means losing what essentially translates to winning like ten MB rank 1 prizes. It's a mother load of thieving you got away with. Better brag about it immediately and risk someone fussing about it on official forums!

[Safiyyah]

The original post in my link was deleted (by the player, most likely), but Pixela's post here pretty much captures the bulk of it. I didn't start the thread to call out one bad apple's bragging, though, this is a far larger issue that was handled poorly.