Please nerf monk and samurai so other DDs can play

[Balloon]

Except you CAN clear the content with jobs from OP. You CAN clear zones like yorcia on THF, BLU, BLM and BST. The point isn't X job can't clear the content, but X job can't outparse SAM.

According to some ppl using BLM in pt, using a BLM in yorcia actually adds more dmg than using one extra SAM due to skillchain interruption. Not sure why you don't get invite, if I can find one I'd use it.

I think being able to clear something isn't really what people are talking about. It's the added risk, the added need for perfection throughout, the need for better gear. Yes it's possible to clear, but there's a disparity in difficulty when using those other jobs. I'm guilty of this, if someone said they were setting up a Yorica run with a THF PUP BST BRD WHM COR, or whatever you'd go with, I just wouldn't go. There's such a high chance of failure.

So if I answer a shout saying I don't have SAM, but I have THF, I'm not getting in. If I shout for a Yorica run and go on THF and take lesser jobs, people won't join.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea to. People want it to be less laughable an idea.

[Catmato]

You are missing the point entirely. You should be allowed to play the job you want to play. The players that love the job mnk and sam are allowed to have their cake and eat it. People that love other jobs should be allowed the same. I am so tired of the argument, "oh just level another job." That is not the point.

Every job doesn't have to be relevant for every event. That's why we can level multiple jobs on a single character.

[detlef]

Every job doesn't have to be relevant for every event. That's why we can level multiple jobs on a single character.

Even though this is true and something I've argued in the past, it's also true that right now SAM is much more powerful than it really should be right now.

[WoW]

I think being able to clear something isn't really what people are talking about. It's the added risk, the added need for perfection throughout, the need for better gear. Yes it's possible to clear, but there's a disparity in difficulty when using those other jobs. I'm guilty of this, if someone said they were setting up a Yorica run with a THF PUP BST BRD WHM COR, or whatever you'd go with, I just wouldn't go. There's such a high chance of failure.

So if I answer a shout saying I don't have SAM, but I have THF, I'm not getting in. If I shout for a Yorica run and go on THF and take lesser jobs, people won't join.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea to. People want it to be less laughable an idea.

Basically this.

[WoW]

In my humble opinion, sams are not to blame. They are the coach's son; not his fault the coach neglects everyone else, blame SE for updating sam and not every other job. If other classes were updated during that ws buff, this would be a non-issue. For instance, pet ws/acc, blu spells, and a balanced ws buff; some jobs were upgraded, some were not. If they were not aware of this ahead of time, that is troubling; do you guys test?

Also, it should not take months to make other jobs serviceable; not everyone is a rng or sam. Only took one update to break sam, I mean damn; do another to break everyone else; then it is even stevens.

I mean, by examining sam, balance is a non-issue.

[Zarchery]

You are missing the point entirely. You should be allowed to play the job you want to play. The players that love the job mnk and sam are allowed to have their cake and eat it. People that love other jobs should be allowed the same. I am so tired of the argument, "oh just level another job." That is not the point.

So what jobs do you bring when you run events?

[Zarchery]

Water finds its own level. What I mean by this is that some jobs will always emerge as the most popular and desired jobs for an event. If they weakened MNK and SAM to appease a bunch of petty and jealous people running other damage dealer classes, all that would happen is something else would take their place as to go-to popular job for events. Square-Enix can't fix human attitude.

I think it's the difficulty of some of the content that drives this. I find that with the high tier mission battlefields, there's a much greater pressure to use very rigid set ups on Difficult and Very Difficult. The fights are harder, the moves are deadlier, and there's less room for error. And you know what's funny? Most of the time these lose anyway because the team doesn't know each other or work well together at all.

And I know a pretty good Dragoon and Dark Knight I'll take on events because I know them and know they're good. So you have a few choices:

1) Level a popular job to get into pickup groups.
2) Do easier content. You don't have to run every stupid mission battlefield on Difficult.
3) Level the job you want and make your own parties.
4) Level the job you want and establish relationships with other players.
5) Do none of this and throw jealous fits about how overpowered everything is and demand it be weakened on the magical hope this will make you popular.

[Afania]

I think being able to clear something isn't really what people are talking about. It's the added risk, the added need for perfection throughout, the need for better gear. Yes it's possible to clear, but there's a disparity in difficulty when using those other jobs. I'm guilty of this, if someone said they were setting up a Yorica run with a THF PUP BST BRD WHM COR, or whatever you'd go with, I just wouldn't go. There's such a high chance of failure.

So if I answer a shout saying I don't have SAM, but I have THF, I'm not getting in. If I shout for a Yorica run and go on THF and take lesser jobs, people won't join.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's a good idea to. People want it to be less laughable an idea.

THF can't do yorcia is more because of piercing dmg resist and less about the actual job performance. I've seen ppl /shout for a THF for ceizak for multiple times. Back in 2013 when delve1 was 18 man, my LS also used THF as one of the DD.

I agree that the gap between SAM and other DD is pretty big atm, especially for a job like SAM with ranged dmg access, it shouldn't be THAT strong. But IMO, asking EVERY job to have equal performance in same content with 22 jobs in game, is just as unrealistic. You either have to make all 22 job identical or simplify the gameplay mechanics. Some praised the job balance in FFXIV, but that's only because DPS is only DPS and there are no real hybrid in that game, the only difference between them is ranged dmg, attack range and DoT. FFXI is a lot more complicated to do that, it'd also be incredibly boring if half of all 22 jobs are DPS with equal dmg and utility.

I mean, if THF has the same output as SAM, why bother to play SAM anymore when we only need to gear THF, which gives equal output as SAM and you can farm dyna with it. But if THF has less output than SAM because of access to TH, then there's no point to use THF over SAM in event if you don't need TH, ever.

The better "fix" for the job is to increase content diversity, so every job get a use in certain event/setup/situation, instead of asking every job to have equal performance.

[Afania]

Water finds its own level. What I mean by this is that some jobs will always emerge as the most popular and desired jobs for an event. If they weakened MNK and SAM to appease a bunch of petty and jealous people running other damage dealer classes, all that would happen is something else would take their place as to go-to popular job for events. Square-Enix can't fix human attitude.

I think it's the difficulty of some of the content that drives this. I find that with the high tier mission battlefields, there's a much greater pressure to use very rigid set ups on Difficult and Very Difficult. The fights are harder, the moves are deadlier, and there's less room for error. And you know what's funny? Most of the time these lose anyway because the team doesn't know each other or work well together at all.

And I know a pretty good Dragoon and Dark Knight I'll take on events because I know them and know they're good. So you have a few choices:

1) Level a popular job to get into pickup groups.
2) Do easier content. You don't have to run every stupid mission battlefield on Difficult.
3) Level the job you want and make your own parties.
4) Level the job you want and establish relationships with other players.
5) Do none of this and throw jealous fits about how overpowered everything is and demand it be weakened on the magical hope this will make you popular.

Except the job mentioned by the OP can clear Difficult just fine, some even demand THF just for TH.

IMO, SAM needs a slight nerf because it's certainly too OP atm, MNK is fine and jobs mentioned by OP are mostly fine. SE created the job BST as a solo job in mind, why QQ about BST not getting pt invite? You should QQ about SE not creating more content that's hard to solo and benefits BST, instead of trying to get BST into parties.

[Balloon]

Because that's a whole heap of nonsense, the game has never really been like that at all. What did BST solo other than 1-75 and a few, select nms? The game has always been tiered like that, and all I want is for some of those tier lists to be changed. I don't actually think THF should surpass sam, but it's not even close, and the benefits of th don't fix that. Jobs should be closer to each other, not equal.

Jobs should be able to participate in all content, and it should be effective. It's not effective to do a Marjami run without a group of rangers, what I want it a situation where, because you've shouted for an hour already, someone goes "Well we might as well shout for x" not "Oh we might as well stop shouting."

Using the 75 model now is so baffling to me, it's not the same game, and some of the jobs should be reflected to change that. Because it's a waste of dev time to create solo content that won't give good rewards.