Dragon Jug Pets

[Mitruya]

I would not be opposed to a puk jug, however do you recall a thread or two clamoring for bigger DRG wyverns? I think that would make DRGs upset, because we really want to be like Achtelle and have a bigger pet. (and you know, one that actually stays alive and is useful...)
It'd be pretty cool actually for BSTs to get some big jugs along the lines of the turtle, say a scorpion or roc or wivre or whatever else has been suggested.
But a dragon, wyrm or wyvern? Nooooo ;P We are the dragon-master, not BSTs.
A puk jug wouldn't bother me though, personally.

ETA: I'm one clear away from getting into Dyna-Xarc so I'm not familiar with those mobs. I just looked them up on BGwiki and see that some of them are listed as BSTs. That's interesting.

[Malthar]

The bst's have wyvern pets.

[Mitruya]

Yeah, I'd never seen them before so it was the first I'd heard of it.

[Karbuncle]

BST usually cannot charm "Intelligent" enemies. Enemies with brain power a step above primal instinct, there are some exceptions to be gleaned from this, such as Arcana type mobs, and certain "Large" variants, such as Rocs. That said, an actual Wyrm, even a Mini like Nauls, would likely be impossible. I have a thread around here about an idea on how to make Uncharmable mobs a Jug, it involved Raising them in a "Chocobo Raising" sort of way, allowing you to register them as a special pet you could summon forth during your 2 hour (to no obsolete regular jugs).

They could just throw the pattern to the wind of course and make a Naul pet... but anyway, on point, Puks are charmable presumably because they do not possess the intelligence of Wyrms, despite being dragons, could be seen as a Jug pet with no broken lore.

[WoW]

BST usually cannot charm "Intelligent" enemies. Enemies with brain power a step above primal instinct, there are some exceptions to be gleaned from this, such as Arcana type mobs, and certain "Large" variants, such as Rocs. That said, an actual Wyrm, even a Mini like Nauls, would likely be impossible. I have a thread around here about an idea on how to make Uncharmable mobs a Jug, it involved Raising them in a "Chocobo Raising" sort of way, allowing you to register them as a special pet you could summon forth during your 2 hour (to no obsolete regular jugs).

They could just throw the pattern to the wind of course and make a Naul pet... but anyway, on point, Puks are charmable presumably because they do not possess the intelligence of Wyrms, despite being dragons, could be seen as a Jug pet with no broken lore.

I did not say charm; puks are also intelligent and able to understand human language. There are a plethora of uncharmable mobs that are in jug form. Intelligence is irrelevant; we are not charming them, but rather, recruiting them. Griffins are majestic animals, but bst can call upon a hippo to aid them in battle. We are not manipulating them, but using a method to call upon the monster to help us. Jugs are like pop triggers, you use the contents to attract a powerful/unique entities.

Also, lore would not be broken because kindred beastmasters have tamed wild dragons while their dragoon counterparts have smaller wyverns. nauls are not part of any special lore, they are normal monsters; what lore are you referring to? I am not talking about bahamut.

Bst cannot charm hippos, turtles, or tulfaire, but they are pets. Yes dragons are smart, but we are simply calling upon them with a jug, akin to how nighogg is called upon with sweet tea.

There was a time when only few turtles roamed vanadiel, in sky and valley of sorrows; these were legendary mobs, but later, were implemented as jugs. No lore would be broken if a bst called upon a wyrm or Ajattara jug. ToA beastmen have recruited hydra and tamed cerberus; also, the lore is already broken then because kindred in dyna have ajattara pets while the dragoons have smaller wyverns. Dragons are beast, intelligent or not, puks are capable of understanding human speech, hence are intelligent as well.

[Karbuncle]

I did not say charm; puks are also intelligent and able to understand human language. There are a plethora of uncharmable mobs that are in jug form. Intelligence is irrelevant; we are not charming them, but rather, recruiting them. Griffins are majestic animals, but bst can call upon a hippo to aid them in battle. We are not manipulating them, but using a method to call upon the monster to help us. Jugs are like pop triggers, you use the contents to attract a powerful/unique entities.

Charm and BST jugs go almost entirely hand and hand with some small exceptions as you've mentioned. If you can't see the parallels between charm and jug pets the continuity of this discussion is moot. Also, I wasn't saying what you're asking for is impossible, simply that as a general thought process, BSTs can rarely charm "Large" or "Intelligent" Pets, some jugs being an exception. Beastmen have been an exception as they can do many things players can't... such as Multiple summons (avatars), and so forth, they seem to posses the ability to go beyond what we can, this is as you've plainly stated they've charmed Cerberus/Hydra, and Kindred are thralls/servants of Odin, I imagine thats why they can charm Wyverns.

Asking for a full blown Wyvern/Wyrm might be a little much, but Puks are possible, which is more or less what I said in my last post.

1) Naul (Spike flail^^ Also, dragon breath can still hit players 1k dmg with lvlgear)
2) Wivre (Boiling blood and crippling slam)
3) Scorpion (Sharp strike, death scissors)
4) Craklaw (Sundering Snip, Impenetrable Carapace)
5) Mantid (Preying Posture, Raptorial Claw, Exorender)

Pets with directional based TP moves, like spike Flail, etc will probably be hard to implement, which is why we as players didn't get any "Flail" type moves in Monstrosity. Though IDK why we haven't seen a Scorpion pet yet :I

[WoW]

Charm and BST jugs go almost entirely hand and hand with some small exceptions as you've mentioned. If you can't see the parallels between charm and jug pets the continuity of this discussion is moot. Also, I wasn't saying what you're asking for is impossible, simply that as a general thought process, BSTs can rarely charm "Large" or "Intelligent" Pets, some jugs being an exception. Beastmen have been an exception as they can do many things players can't... such as Multiple summons (avatars), and so forth, they seem to posses the ability to go beyond what we can, this is as you've plainly stated they've charmed Cerberus/Hydra, and Kindred are thralls/servants of Odin, I imagine thats why they can charm Wyverns.

Asking for a full blown Wyvern/Wyrm might be a little much, but Puks are possible, which is more or less what I said in my last post.



Pets with directional based TP moves, like spike Flail, Crippling Slam, etc will probably be hard to implement, which is why we as players didn't get any "Flail" type moves in Monstrosity. Though IDK why we haven't seen a Scorpion pet yet :I

Crippling slam is indeed in monstrosity, my wivre is lvl 40-ish and that moves is awesome^^ can spike as high as 600+ dmg. This is at lvl 40, keep in mind guys/gals, back in the day (pre abyssea), 500-600 rampages and raging fist was elite status in the 50s. This is why I am an advocate of powerful pet moves. If my Gambodge beetle can do rhino wreck for 800 dmg to VTs at lvl57, imagine what a jug pet could do at 99; whom possess boosted versions of those abilities (Due to the ready move boost).

Also, charm pets do not go hand in hand with bst anymore. Charm is a dead art. Ibuki, raphie, falcorr, and the toads are not charmable. Charm is a non-factor now and days. Raphie was large, so the large argument is not really valid. Large monsters in monstrosity also have smaller forms. Not sure if anyone noticed, but a few of the tigers appeared smaller than their wild counterparts, while the pugil jug was huge compared to other pugs.

I really don't care for a wyrm or wyvern jug; I just want the monsters with the powerful moves; Wivre, scorp, opo, mantid, cracklaw, gambodge beetle etc. Wivre is my top choice personally. Haste and zerk + crippling slam. I just don't see the conflict; this entire game is a contradiction, every player saved vanadiel XD. A wyrm jug is not that serious imo.

[Karbuncle]

Crippling slam is indeed in monstrosity,

I edited out Crippling slam cause I remembered it wasn't directional. (just 3 minutes before your post :P, musta been typing as i realized it XD)

I also feel it should be noted Hydra Beastmasters have Undead Hounds as pets, which is an absolute no-no for any job.

[WoW]

I would not be opposed to a puk jug, however do you recall a thread or two clamoring for bigger DRG wyverns? I think that would make DRGs upset, because we really want to be like Achtelle and have a bigger pet. (and you know, one that actually stays alive and is useful...)
It'd be pretty cool actually for BSTs to get some big jugs along the lines of the turtle, say a scorpion or roc or wivre or whatever else has been suggested.
But a dragon, wyrm or wyvern? Nooooo ;P We are the dragon-master, not BSTs.
A puk jug wouldn't bother me though, personally.

ETA: I'm one clear away from getting into Dyna-Xarc so I'm not familiar with those mobs. I just looked them up on BGwiki and see that some of them are listed as BSTs. That's interesting.

Question though, how would drg function with a wild wyvern? I thought their pacts were with the domesticated one? Also, what about healing breathes and what not; with wild wyverns, the entire concept of pet wyverns would change.

Dragoons are masters of the lance; to my knowledge, the only dragoon whom used dragons were the highwinds. Iirc, this was a discussion in the XIV forums; pertaining to dragoon with a pet.

Beastmasters are masters of the nature; befriended beast. Several mobs of the dragon family are natural. Also, drg is not a pet job per-se; giving them a damaging pet while the true masters of monsters receive rabbits and grasshoppers would burn my biscuits personally. The majority of dragoons in the pet forums were asking for dragoon boost, not a bigger wyvern.

Also, bst are already able to control and tame intelligent dragons. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Category:Puks. These mobs are thought to be produced by human beings (Artificial), but nonetheless, they are charmable intelligent entities.