A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

[SNK]

Apparently basic mathematics don't exist in your world. If you farmed 150 million gil worth of currency, and you used it on a guttler, the guttler cost you 150 million gil, it wasn't free.

Really are you just trying to be that much obtuse or are you just making up arguements to keep this thread bumped.

You should know this, since you yourself said you do dynamis for money, from selling the currency.

Right, Because you know doing work and getting paid for your efforts is such an illogical thing.

How does doing dynamis and selling currency make you money, but doing dynamis and spending the currency on a guttler not cost you money? Because you didn't turn the currency into gil, first?

I didn't actually. 100% of my currency was done in trades without any actual gil transactions. I didn't start selling the currency until after, Yes, I said after I finished my relic.

If I have $100, I have $100. If I have $100 worth of gold nuggets, I have $100. If I take my $100 worth of gold nuggets and throw them into a volcano because I enjoying seeing the lava splash, I spent $100 dollars on that, I lost $100.

If you mined those gold nuggets then you can do whatever you want to em. It doesn't change the fact you didn't buy those nuggets. You went and got them on your own without paying anything out of your pocket. This starting to make sense to you yet or are you just going to keep making arguements for the arguement's sake?

Just because I didn't throw $100 in paper money into the damned volcano doesn't mean I didn't lose $100.

So because I use my jugs instead of selling them, Thus wasting gil I could be making by selling them or I don't know, I could just farm Salvage, Dynamis or w/e and making a buttload more gil and buy jugs and thus end up wasting more money VS. where I could, I don't know, farm the materials, make the jugs and (omfg) save money in the long run by making my own jugs/food so I can perform my job to it's fullest?

Damn man, you showed me the light. How I could I ever think that maybe gearing myself up to do better with my job when I should just have just kept the job at level 1 and played a table top game at home? Oh shit wait no, you gotta goto the store and buy that also. Damn I can't eat either can I? Well maybe I can find some leaves to gnaw on, Those might be free right?

This is especially stupid, since in the same damned post, you claim your Relic axe was free, but a RNG's relic gun costs 150 million.

You're the dork that tried to make something out of nothing. It's not my fault you can't handle what you're throwing out.

These are mutually exclusive statements, one or both, by definition is wrong, and you are making both at the same time.

Good lord, you're like the energizer bunny, you just keep going, and going over the same thing without reading anything I posted.

The fact that RNG is the job that LEAST needs a relic to do content over Normal just compounds it.

It's not my fault that RNG is the job people want for almost everything over difficult now is it? Or are you going to blame me for that too?

You know what system would be nice since I know SE could implement it? A Jug Recycle Job trait. I.E. Using Call Beast and sometimes the jug being used isn't consumed. I bet that alone would shut up people for a short time. Hell they could even create gear which I would actually buy,

Dammit I can't waste gil, Um farm and sell for more gil... wait no I want this gear.... dammit I'm confused. HELP ME LOUIS!

[Louispv]

Good lord, you're like the energizer bunny, you just keep going, and going over the same thing without reading anything I posted.

No, I keep responding to you making the same retarded statement, over and over. If you stop showing your 3rd grade drop out level of education, I'll stop having to correct you.So here we go again;

If you have a stack of jugs, and those jugs sell for 300,000 gil, and you use them, you have used 300,000 gil worth of jugs. You have lost 300,000 gil. It is called opportunity cost, and 8 year olds understand it. And on top of that, the fact that it took you FAAAAR longer to gather all the materials for the jugs and make them yourself, than it does to simply make the gil to buy them, means you've lost EVEN MORE MONEY! You haven't saved a single penny.

And as I've pointed out, again and again, the reason why, straight from SE's mouth, that RNG has always been overly powerful, is that they have to pay out the nose for their damage, while everyone else gets theirs free. But their damage is free and they pay nothing, yet get to be the strongest DD in the game, but BST which pays more for their damage than any other job in the game, gets to be one of the weakest DD's in the game. (I'd paid more in jugs and biscuits by 2011, than buying every single scroll in the game, all the ninja tools I've ever used, and all the ammo for COR, NIN and RNG put together up until the present day, as an example.)

If I can easily, by giving up nothing else, get a 95% proc rate on the jug pet recycle like RNG can, sure I'd stop bitching that weak jugs are expensive. If the expensive jugs were appropriately strong and put BST on level with everyone else, I'd shut up. But when I spend truckloads of money for pets that are too weak to even put me in the same game as RNG in terms of damage, I'm taking it in both ends.

The rest of your post was just fucking gibberish, and doesn't even have anything to do with what you quoted me saying, so I think I'm done for now.

[SNK]

No, I keep responding to you making the same retarded statement, over and over. If you stop showing your 3rd grade drop out level of education, I'll stop having to correct you.So here we go again;

If you have a stack of jugs, and those jugs sell for 300,000 gil, and you use them, you have used 300,000 gil worth of jugs. You have lost 300,000 gil.

This is the part you're not getting. No money is being spent. Peroid. 300k of jugs isn't 300k worth of jugs if I'm not spending anything other then my own time farming the mats.

It is called opportunity cost, and 8 year olds understand it. And on top of that, the fact that it took you FAAAAR longer to gather all the materials for the jugs and make them yourself, than it does to simply make the gil to buy them, means you've lost EVEN MORE MONEY! You haven't saved a single penny.

Because I obviously don't enjoy harvesting, logging & fishing right?

And as I've pointed out, again and again, the reason why, straight from SE's mouth, that RNG has always been overly powerful, is that they have to pay out the nose for their damage, while everyone else gets theirs free. But their damage is free and they pay nothing, yet get to be the strongest DD in the game,

To be fair RNG took the biggest nerfbat and it only took many years later for them to be wanted for anything viable in the game. A Beastmaster doesn't need a relic to be functional. A RNG to even be considered however for anything, has to have one. The same as a PLD needs to have an Ochain & an Aegis because that's all what people will want or even accept anymore.

It sucks but that's the cold hard truth.

but BST which pays more for their damage than any other job in the game, gets to be one of the weakest DD's in the game. (I'd paid more in jugs and biscuits by 2011, than buying every single scroll in the game, all the ninja tools I've ever used, and all the ammo for COR, NIN and RNG put together up until the present day, as an example.)

I still don't agree with it being the most exspensive. In consideration of all things I get the feeling you want BST to be able to do Delve with RNGs, MNKs, and whatever other cookiecutter jobs that people normally want.

If I can easily, by giving up nothing else, get a 95% proc rate on the jug pet recycle like RNG can, sure I'd stop bitching that weak jugs are expensive. If the expensive jugs were appropriately strong and put BST on level with everyone else, I'd shut up.

The problem is, Even if we got recycled jugs, It wouldn't change a damn thing. Nobody wants BST for the most part to shit like SCNMs, Delve, AAs, & even for Skirmish because to be honest, there are better options out there job wise. The main reasons I've gotten invited to anything outside of delve is because the folks I've run with know I can bring damage to the table.

But when I spend truckloads of money for pets that are too weak to even put me in the same game as RNG in terms of damage, I'm taking it in both ends.

It's the choice you made like the rest of us when you leveled beastmaster. Nobody wants to be told a job they love isn't worth dick for anything end game related but it's a bitter truth and unless SE gives enough of a damn to change that to an extreme then that's how it's going to be.

The rest of your post was just fucking gibberish, and doesn't even have anything to do with what you quoted me saying, so I think I'm done for now.

Look Louis, You can call it what you want but I made valid points. Just because I enjoy doing stuff in game that you don't like, doesn't make your opinion right over mine.

[WoW]

Seriously, for anybody complaining about jug prices in 2014 (Easymode).................

If you receive an infinite amount of cheap pets, the same problems will still exist. Your jugs suck; I have a plethora of Ibuki's, the $hit is not that serious, she is not that good. Yes her acc is not really an issue, but she hits like crap on normal content or above (Dmg wise). If I made my own crap and you paid for a pile of crap; in the end, we all have the same crap, only you paid top dollar for yours. The efficacy of the crap is the same. Did I win something special? No, crap is crap. Having access to more crap is not going make you a super bst. Paying less or receiving free crap will not change much neither. Rngs have bullets which are efficient, comparing rng to bst jug is somewhat tricky because Rng is a pretty stable (Near flawless) job. Bullets > jug pets as it pertains to efficacy.

Anyway, SE still does not get it http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...869#post510869

There is no hope; I am speechless...........I give up, feel like I am talking to a automated system.....

Edit: Also, prices are dictated by the players; they could release plasm jugs, but ppl would complain about plasm. Personally, I have never experienced jug shortage issues; I would buy Hermes for kicks and those usually last me for days, even weeks (One stack). Any player can make 2mill a day between salvage and Dyna.

[Olor]

Yay HQ pets! Now I can spend even more Gil on sucking. Can the devs please understand that BST and other pet jobs either need to be made massively more powerful or buffs and all gear bonuses and all food bonuses need to apply to pets. The end.

[WoW]

Yay HQ pets! Now I can spend even more Gil on sucking. Can the devs please understand that BST and other pet jobs either need to be made massively more powerful or buffs and all gear bonuses and all food bonuses need to apply to pets. The end.

Olor, you are talking to an automated system, hehe. They do not interact/really communicate with you per-se, just talk about whatever they please.

Olor and my fellow bst (Or even Blu mages), time to wake up and smell the coffee; our buffed pets are in monstrosity (Blus, your useful moves may be there aswell). Instincts slots should have went to bst (Pup Attachments) and those monsters possess the majority of their beneficial moves. If you guys want to do useless side content, might as well do it on a fully buffed pet (Monstrosity) as opposed to a jug that cost you an arm and a leg. Why are you bst paying top dollar for crappy half-@$$ed jugs on a job that is not even in demand, versus roaming around on fully buffed pets for free? there is no point "trying" to do content on bst; change jobs. Monstrosity > bst; both roam around solo doing random crap, but it is much more enjoyable on monstrosity. This may sound like "Whatever" but really, what can we do?

I am a extremely direct individual, although I aim to be respectful at all times. SE will never answer my previous questions regardless of the likes it receives because there is no vague answer they can come up with. Reducing run wild's/removing pet disappearance would not be broken and they know it. They know it is a fact that NN had zerk and lambchop, but frenzied rage, pounce, nature's mediation, etc was removed from our jugs. They may be aware that, the move removal does not make sense considering our old pet's had similar moves. The jug poll; iirc, that whole fiasco resembled a WWE match. The scorp won, but it did not win...hmmm.

Pup gets a load of acc through merits; our JA gives +25% acc, attack, defense, and a regen effect, but the timer is 15 minutes and our pet disappears which completely nullifies familiar; is that fair? Also, why is Herald henry the only pet that caps higher than players? Since we use merits, all hq pets should not only cap a 128, but have the moves they should had to begin with; "High Quality."

Picture this, run wild's timer reduced and the pet removal gone, a hq version of Razor brain broth (Cheap pet). Caps at 128 (All jugs should, we spend merits to lvl our pets, makes no sense to have one hq pet at 128), ready moves: Pounce, frenzied rage, charged whisker, blaster, chaotic eye. This broth is extremely cheap like all of our older jugs due to the ingredients being quite easy to obtain. So basically, this pet > Ibuki whom is quite expensive (Does not bother me, but I can acknowledge the fact that this thing cost 200k-ish). Even if they both capped at 128, the dd jug would be superior to Ibuki's slashing resistance, because bst are dds, not tanks. Also, AAs on easy modes would not be able to deal with a 128 dd pet with run wild active (Potent regen, +25% def, att, and acc). Being lvl128 would also allow blaster to land on those battles (Unless they have a native resist para or something).

(Here is an example, just an example pet) So basically, a near constant +25% def, att, acc, and a regen (Run wild) effect + Coeurl + being a cheap pet +Frenzied rage +(+20% attack) + pounce = profit. Checkparam on that pet^^ Not to mention bst get a ton of +att and acc from gear which further enhances our pet.

But SE doesn't hear me/us tho, back to monstrosity.

Edit: Not saying smns are fine; not a smn, but I have seen videos of them doing like 7k pacts on the new delve awhile ago, here are some stories. http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/39...our-stories/4/. That is insane!!!^^ Imo, the two pet jobs in dumps are pup and bst, dd pet wise. Drgs are fine dd, not full on pet jobs per-se, but they could probably use some damage enchanting JAs compared to the Sams, Wars, and Rngs of the world.

[Alhanelem]

Edit: Not saying smns are fine; not a smn, but I have seen videos of them doing like 7k pacts on the new delve awhile ago, here are some stories.

Blood pacts have high damage but are limited by a set timer that can't go lower than a certain amount, unlike other jobs where you can gain TP faster and perform multiple high damage attacks in the time it takes a summoner to do one blood pact. Even if the summoner melees and adds their own WS to the mix, it's not enough to catch up

1( as much as I like to do it where it's possible, meleeing and using WS isn't something that should be required of the summoner in order to be able to compete. I recognize that most summoners do not want to risk their necks to nudge up their DPS by a minor amount.
2)unless you have the new 1-hour active, SMN is still tied to a restrictive timer that limits both their damage and support potential. We were recently allowed to take our timers lower with "blood pact ability delay - II" but we still have to bend over backwards to obtain enough of it to matter, and on top of that it's 2 stats, and often the 2 different stats are in the same slot, making it all the more difficult to obtain enough of both (and there is no gear which has both stats).

[WoW]

Blood pacts have high damage but are limited by a set timer that can't go lower than a certain amount, unlike other jobs where you can gain TP faster and perform multiple high damage attacks in the time it takes a summoner to do one blood pact. Even if the summoner melees and adds their own WS to the mix, it's not enough to catch up

1( as much as I like to do it where it's possible, meleeing and using WS isn't something that should be required of the summoner in order to be able to compete. I recognize that most summoners do not want to risk their necks to nudge up their DPS by a minor amount.
2)unless you have the new 1-hour active, SMN is still tied to a restrictive timer that limits both their damage and support potential. We were recently allowed to take our timers lower with "blood pact ability delay - II" but we still have to bend over backwards to obtain enough of it to matter, and on top of that it's 2 stats, and often the 2 different stats are in the same slot, making it all the more difficult to obtain enough of both (and there is no gear which has both stats).

According to that thread; smn could do 11k dmg every 35 secs; that is very impressive. As a bst, I would take 3k-ish ready moves every 2 minutes and 30 (ready meter) secs on bosses lol. The smns in that thread appear happy with their performance in delve 2.0. It appears that smn has other uses as well, such as debuffing and adds (Correct me if I am wrong, no smn)? They feel like there is a place for them in delve 2.0. I am just going by what you and those other smns have to say; I am no smn. Check out those comments; idk, that seems like some insane dmg, but i am on the outside looking in, can only take what others tell me.

[Raydeus]

A SMN, a PUP and a BST walk into a bar in Sand'Oria...

[WoW]

A SMN, a PUP and a BST walk into a bar in Sand'Oria...

Lol; sorry, but that was funny.