A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

[dasva]

The master is pretty strong; they get a tremendous damage bonus on monsters based on the mob food chain thingy. They can also spread this bonus to pt members, however,

The problem is no one will bring bst for it's DD capability since it still wont be up to 2hders. And to get that bonus you need merits and you can't full time it and on anything that checks ITG it is at 2/3s or lower potency and on several mobs (such as all nightmare mobs and some nms) it litterally does nothing. So you end up with a less desirable DD with a jug.

Bst will never be as good a DD by itself as others nor should it be but it should be able to be about as good when you factor the pet in too. Sadly the pets aren't even hitting content let alone staying alive. All the newer pets have meh pretty much dmg only tp moves. Some of the old jugs had rather nice unique debuffs that were nice... except since the soa came out most of those don't land on anything worth fighting assuming you could even get the tp for it and which is further compounded by the fact they cap way lower. If the Gooey Gerard, audicous anna, Crude Raphie, and Attentive Ibuki all could get to the highest level we can do and all their debuffs could land on even the highest nms at a reasonable rate I could probably convince people to bring bst to events.

[WoW]

The problem is no one will bring bst for it's DD capability since it still wont be up to 2hders. And to get that bonus you need merits and you can't full time it and on anything that checks ITG it is at 2/3s or lower potency and on several mobs (such as all nightmare mobs and some nms) it litterally does nothing. So you end up with a less desirable DD with a jug.

Bst will never be as good a DD by itself as others nor should it be but it should be able to be about as good when you factor the pet in too. Sadly the pets aren't even hitting content let alone staying alive. All the newer pets have meh pretty much dmg only tp moves. Some of the old jugs had rather nice unique debuffs that were nice... except since the soa came out most of those don't land on anything worth fighting assuming you could even get the tp for it and which is further compounded by the fact they cap way lower. If the Gooey Gerard, audicous anna, Crude Raphie, and Attentive Ibuki all could get to the highest level we can do and all their debuffs could land on even the highest nms at a reasonable rate I could probably convince people to bring bst to events.

You know whats funny; they are monsters out there that are fine damage dealers/tanks but SE refuses to give them to us. Until that do this, the tp moves will always be sub par. Even in abyssea, Ibuki has subpar ready move damage with atmas on weaker mobs (Unless you go full magic attack, but why?) So why would attack food change anything? Pet ws are not akin to players, sweeping gouge will still suck with 300 attack or a str increase.

They could easily fix the debuff issue by giving bst a JA/gear that enhances accuracy of these debuffs. Just like the +magic accuracy on player gear.

Imo, the pet selection must improve; I cannot stress this enough. Food may solve accuracy issues, but that is about it. Unless the food modifies the pets ws dmg, ppl will be back on the forums complaining within days. A pet slowly nipping at a bosses hp bar will not take bst over the top in terms of invites.

Again, I ask you guy/gals this, would anyone complain about prices if they released a wirve that could comfortably land demoralizing roar and had access to all its' native moves? Maybe, but they will get over, just like reforge armor prices; ppl complain about it, but end up buying them because the pros far outweigh the price in most instances.

Edit: Imo, we need another jug pet poll, but this time, an in-depth description of what each pet's moves will be. The past jug releases are just horrible. let us chose one; i mean, even though falcorr was not the popular choice, he is by far the best jug we ever had imo. I would like a detailed poll, I am not fond of this mystery pet business, aka what kind of pet pet will we get? the ones in the wild? One with its' moves removed? Or one with a couple unless tp moves?

[Damane]

You know whats funny; they are monsters out there that are fine damage dealers/tanks but SE refuses to give them to us. Until that do this, the tp moves will always be sub par. Even in abyssea, Ibuki has subpar ready move damage with atmas on weaker mobs (Unless you go full magic attack, but why?) So why would attack food change anything? Pet ws are not akin to players, sweeping gouge will still suck with 300 attack or a str increase.

They could easily fix the debuff issue by giving bst a JA/gear that enhances accuracy of these debuffs. Just like the +magic accuracy on player gear.

Imo, the pet selection must improve; I cannot stress this enough. Food may solve accuracy issues, but that is about it. Unless the food modifies the pets ws dmg, ppl will be back on the forums complaining within days. A pet slowly nipping at a bosses hp bar will not take bst over the top in terms of invites.

Again, I ask you guy/gals this, would anyone complain about prices if they released a wirve that could comfortably land demoralizing roar and had access to all its' native moves? Maybe, but they will get over, just like reforge armor prices; ppl complain about it, but end up buying them because the pros far outweigh the price in most instances.

Edit: Imo, we need another jug pet poll, but this time, an in-depth description of what each pet's moves will be. The past jug releases are just horrible. let us chose one; i mean, even though falcorr was not the popular choice, he is by far the best jug we ever had imo. I would like a detailed poll, I am not fond of this mystery pet business, aka what kind of pet pet will we get? the ones in the wild? One with its' moves removed? Or one with a couple unless tp moves?

the Pet selection ISNT the problem, its the fact that pets dont get any brd/cor/geo buffs/cant benefit from them, and that they cant be kept alive on anything remotely hard. new pets that just die in 2-3 sec and have shit accuracy wont bring all pet jobs anywhere. Buffs for pets and more -DT for pets would benefit all pet jobs.

[WoW]

the Pet selection ISNT the problem, its the fact that pets dont get any brd/cor/geo buffs/cant benefit from them, and that they cant be kept alive on anything remotely hard. new pets that just die in 2-3 sec and have shit accuracy wont bring all pet jobs anywhere. Buffs for pets and more -DT for pets would benefit all pet jobs.

As I stated before, I am not a pup, drg, or smn, so I cannot speak on them. However, the pet selection IS the problem which is why bst complain about their ready move dmg. Wivre gets a move that grants damage immunity from the front; so that will not help our pet's survivability? As someone mentioned before, pet buffs do exist, in the form of cor rolls. No one will invite a pet that slowly chips away at the bosses hp over another dd, they just will not. More -DT and buffs will help bst jugs survive, but ppl do not invite bst to tank........pet ws are not even strong with abyssea buffs on weaker monsters, what makes you think that a couple of attack songs will change that on content over 119? Survivability? Sure, but ppl invite you to dd not tank.

Our pet selection and debuff accuracy are the main issue imo. Dawns and pet food can help with survivability, if they add a little more -DT. Pets should not be walking plds, there are tools out there that can make pets invincible (Dawns) unless they are one-shotted by a super move. They should just add -DT on the axes since they took our ToM weapons from us, but I digress. If your pet can comfortably land debuffs, that will make bst more desirable (See geo). The pet selection is a problem for bst because a mandy will not out dd, a ram, scorpion, wivre, or a wamoura. they all have dd abilities that blow away a mandy. So, you will be happy with more mandies and another frog so long as they give it cor songs/brd songs? Will that make ppl invite you, because your pet can survive a little bit longer? Are your pets world beaters in abyssea with its super buffs (On weaker content)? There are a plethora of pet attack/haste out there for bst atm, but that does not help us become better dds, which is our job. Now, will a ram that can comfortably land rumble with berserk get you into a pt? Yes, Geos are invited because they can debuff. Buffs will be great, however, that will only give pets more attack or some other buff that pets have gotten in abyssea when their dmg was just merely decent. this may help other pet jobs, but I am strictly talking about bst. You have to keep in mind; will these buffs take bst over the top on content over 119? More accuracy will help the hit rate, but it would be death by a thousand pokes; MNK, can I have it? This will change nada imo. Ready moves do not have the same mechanics as the merit ws or victory smite. Players can get away with this, but jug pets cannot. However, death scissors always does high/consistent dmg.

Edit: Survivability is important, but even if the pets are able to stay out during an entire battle; it amounts to nada if they are doing sub par dmg (Sweeping gouge or head butt).

edit2: Not saying that SE should not allow pets to get hit by protect and shell, but if you guys think that this will get you into a dd party, think again. Why would they invite you over a mnk, because your pet has more survivability? A powerful move from a delve boss will still take down a jug pet and leave you spamming food; -DT will help, not resenting that, but as a dd, you cannot bypass these super moves. AAs don't give 2 $hits about your protect and survivability.

[Terrigenesis]

You're a BLU. You can solo content AND participate in endgame without people having a fit. Since you can do both, by your own reasoning, you should have to give one up. So which would you care to sacrifice? It's wrong that you can have your cake and eat it too when most of us have to choose one or the other.



But if you eat it you no longer possess it. You can't look at that beautifully decorated cake anymore. It's either a decoration, or it's food. It can't be both.

Endgame content? Actually no. BLUs are not welcome in ANY of the Adolin content. Almost anything a BLU can solo, a melee RDM can solo so get over yourself.

[Prothscar]

Re: Cost

90%~95% of your ammunition on RNG is being Recycled and Scavenged, on top of that you can synthesize multiple stacks of ammunition at once as well as buy stronger ammunition with plasm. Both of these cost opportunity cost, but it's to be noted that the amount of ammunition that you spend will be significantly lessened by Recycle and Scavenge, two things that BST does not benefit from.

On BST, you not only need jugs every 30~90 minutes, but you also need pet food to perpetuate them. Can you craft both of these just like you can craft ammunition? Yes. But you'd be lying through your teeth if you were to tell me that the time it takes to go farm apkallu eggs, ruzsor meat, and fish for the fish needed for some of these jugs wasn't opportunity cost; significantly more than what it would take to synthesize ammunition. Charming pets for... idk, Reives? Is great and all, but that doesn't help you with the other 90%+ of the game where there's nothing to charm.

Give either a jug recycle or pet food recycle trait and it'd be great. Don't need anything ridiculous like infinite jugs of infinity or something like that.

[WoW]

Re: Cost

90%~95% of your ammunition on RNG is being Recycled and Scavenged, on top of that you can synthesize multiple stacks of ammunition at once as well as buy stronger ammunition with plasm. Both of these cost opportunity cost, but it's to be noted that the amount of ammunition that you spend will be significantly lessened by Recycle and Scavenge, two things that BST does not benefit from.

On BST, you not only need jugs every 30~90 minutes, but you also need pet food to perpetuate them. Can you craft both of these just like you can craft ammunition? Yes. But you'd be lying through your teeth if you were to tell me that the time it takes to go farm apkallu eggs, ruzsor meat, and fish for the fish needed for some of these jugs wasn't opportunity cost; significantly more than what it would take to synthesize ammunition. Charming pets for... idk, Reives? Is great and all, but that doesn't help you with the other 90%+ of the game where there's nothing to charm.

Give either a jug recycle or pet food recycle trait and it'd be great. Don't need anything ridiculous like infinite jugs of infinity or something like that.

I see what you are saying, but I am not lying through my teeth, lol. I (Keyword) have no issue farming this especially with RoE. Puk eggs and the ruszor meat have a pretty decent drop rate. however, I acknowledge that some do not like to farm. I cannot relate to those ppl, but I am not going to tune them out.

I agree though, my infinity jug idea may have been a little excessive, lol, but ppl just do not like to spend money; so I said, heck, just make it free then. I do not want this game to end up like 14 where gil is unless and a dead ah. If you guys want a recycle, go for it; if they keep giving us recycled pets, it is only fitting.

[WoW]

Other DDs will receive the same buffs that pets do. They have waaaay better dmg and ws, so why invite a bst with a gimp pet slowly chipping away at the mobs hp? A dd which can land debuffs (Bst with a ram, etc) will be more appealing than a dd than can survive a little longer doing sub par dmg to content 119 and over. Songs and spells will help with accuracy, however, does that matter if your pet is doing crap dmg?

I will welcome these buffs (Who would not), but still, this will not affect bst invites, because they still bring nothing worthwhile to the table. A dd that can debuff with pets will bring something useful to the table imo. I mean, even if they allowed these buffs (Songs,etc), wouldn't a mnk still be preferred? I would trust a mnk over a bst with their crappy pet ws (With songs, because the mnk will receive the same songs, lol and have better weaponskills). Imo, Bst should be a dd that can debuff; i mean, most pets have debuffs and this alone will net bst more invites (if they could land comfortably).

[Jinzha]

Other DDs will receive the same buffs that pets do. They have waaaay better dmg and ws, so why invite a bst with a gimp pet slowly chipping away at the mobs hp? A dd which can land debuffs (Bst with a ram, etc) will be more appealing than a dd than can survive a little longer doing sub par dmg to content 119 and over. Songs and spells will help with accuracy, however, does that matter if your pet is doing crap dmg?

I will welcome these buffs (Who would not), but still, this will not affect bst invites, because they still bring nothing worthwhile to the table. A dd that can debuff with pets will bring something useful to the table imo. I mean, even if they allowed these buffs (Songs,etc), wouldn't a mnk still be preferred? I would trust a mnk over a bst with their crappy pet ws (With songs, because the mnk will receive the same songs, lol and have better weaponskills). Imo, Bst should be a dd that can debuff; i mean, most pets have debuffs and this alone will net bst more invites (if they could land comfortably).

We get the point already... You want better BST pets and ready moves. Now can you give it a rest please? No one here is arguing with you. The first logical step to getting BST invites will be to fix accuracy and survivability issues, and you've clearly stated that you do agree with that. The next step to give BST a 'purpose' within group content would be by giving them useful pets that can contribute a unique skill to help groups be successful like what you suggested: pets like Wivre that can debuff mobs. We all agree, but neither step can exist without the other. If you have a pet that can't hit and get tp, then he won't be able to debuff anything, but on the other hand if you have a pet that contributes nothing useful besides hitting a monster, why not just invite a monk? Our goals and your goals have a symbiotic relationship. One can't exist without the other. So please, can you talk about something new? Otherwise, there's no point droning on about the same point when we all understood it the first time.

Endgame content? Actually no. BLUs are not welcome in ANY of the Adolin content. Almost anything a BLU can solo, a melee RDM can solo so get over yourself.

Can you do us all the favor and just go away? If you're not going to contribute more than a couple of sentences to validate what already sounded like a half thought out remark muttered by temperamental teenager that's jealous because they're not getting all of the attention, then you're just wasting everyone's time. Thanks.

[WoW]

We get the point already... You want better BST pets and ready moves. Now can you give it a rest please? No one here is arguing with you. The first logical step to getting BST invites will be to fix accuracy and survivability issues, and you've clearly stated that you do agree with that. The next step to give BST a 'purpose' within group content would be by giving them useful pets that can contribute a unique skill to help groups be successful like what you suggested: pets like Wivre that can debuff mobs. We all agree, but neither step can exist without the other. If you have a pet that can't hit and get tp, then he won't be able to debuff anything, but on the other hand if you have a pet that contributes nothing useful besides hitting a monster, why not just invite a monk? Our goals and your goals have a symbiotic relationship. One can't exist without the other. So please, can you talk about something new? Otherwise, there's no point droning on about the same point when we all understood it the first time.



Can you do us all the favor and just go away? If you're not going to contribute more than a couple of sentences to validate what already sounded like a half thought out remark muttered by temperamental teenager that's jealous because they're not getting all of the attention, then you're just wasting everyone's time. Thanks.

I will give it a rest when you give the pet acc issue a rest. This thread is about buffing pets and i made several suggestions to do that. You keep repeating the same things in this thread, actually everyone does, why can't I? Also Damane did argue that better pets were not the issue. I agree that all these suggestions need to be addressed before our hopes to come full circle.

I will stop my babbling about pets when they shut this thread down (As will everyone else).