A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

[Camate]

Hello, everyone.

Rest assured that the development team has not forgotten about pets, nor are they ignoring your feedback. Everything is being taken in and considered for adjustments.

The first adjustment that they are planning, as we mentioned previously, is the addition of food that will affect both the master and the pet. Amongst this new food, there will be accuracy enhancing food, much like sushi, that will increase the accuracy for both the master and the pet. These new foods will be added in the next version update.

Also, due to the fact that pets cannot receive enhancements from songs and such, the development team is planning to make the effect received from food higher for pets than what the player receives.

Before any further adjustments are made, we’d like to start by implementing this first and monitoring the situation for a while. After the version update is live, please be sure to try out the food and let us know your feedback.

[Olor]

Hello, everyone.

Rest assured that the development team has not forgotten about pets, nor are they ignoring your feedback. Everything is being taken in and considered for adjustments.

The first adjustment that they are planning, as we mentioned previously, is the addition of food that will affect both the master and the pet. Amongst this new food, there will be accuracy enhancing food, much like sushi, that will increase the accuracy for both the master and the pet. These new foods will be added in the next version update.

Also, due to the fact that pets cannot receive enhancements from songs and such, the development team is planning to make the effect received from food higher for pets than what the player receives.

Before any further adjustments are made, we’d like to start by implementing this first and monitoring the situation for a while. After the version update is live, please be sure to try out the food and let us know your feedback.

I appreciate this as a beginning Camate, but I hope the development team remembers that BST currently is probably the MOST expensive job to play in the game. So I dearly hope this food is made of reasonable to obtain materials. Buffs cost nothing. If I have to spend tons of gil on food for my pet as well as the food I already have to spend because my pet dies in a minute if I don't spam reward AS WELL AS unstackable mulsims AS WELL AS the pets themselves, it is not going to help at all.

[SNK]

Explain how in any content level 119 or higher BST is able to perform well at all. I've seen no BST do well in Skirmish, Delve, or even really AAs, let alone the new Delve monsters who are getting higher. To say BST is fine is to look only at Dynamis and other low level content and judge it on that basis alone.

I can't tell if you were being serious about Skirmish, It's easy to do on BST. Delve however I'm not retarded enough to bother with that on BST since it's just easier to do on MNK COR or BRD. AAs I've done on BST multiple times outside of the Elvaan in groups.

The jug pets are fine like I said & now that we even have food which buff the pet's accuracy and attack even more, it's easier then ever.

I appreciate this as a beginning Camate, but I hope the development team remembers that BST currently is probably the MOST expensive job to play in the game.

Not even close to being the most exspensive in the game. Ranger alone is a job where you shoot money to do damage.

[WoW]

I can't tell if you were being serious about Skirmish, It's easy to do on BST. Delve however I'm not retarded enough to bother with that on BST since it's just easier to do on MNK COR or BRD. AAs I've done on BST multiple times outside of the Elvaan in groups.

The jug pets are fine like I said & now that we even have food which buff the pet's accuracy and attack even more, it's easier then ever.




Not even close to being the most exspensive in the game. Ranger alone is a job where you shoot money to do damage.

I may have been wrong about the food; that combined with the plethora of pet acc gear for pet should be enough to hit decently on harder content (Just speculating and going by comments from other players).

I was the biggest detractor pertaining to bst buffs and food, however, I really sat down and pondered this issue. On weaker mobs, pets are not world beaters by any means, usually, endgame involves difficult mobs which our current pets struggle on.

I am not going to tell you that your experiences were wrong (Who am I to say that? Really...), considering the amount of +acc jugs receive from gear. Also, this thread shows that some individuals did have success with the new food http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/43...mochi-effects/

Bst also has a pretty nasty merit ws. However, I still feel that jug pets are merely naked mobs whom are not that special (Hence does not warrant an invite over a mnk, sam, war, or rng). However, I am going to be positive for once, imo, one thing that hinders bst dd wise is poor jug selection, but that is not gonna happen hence bst will stay were it is, second class job. I still believe the overall concept of the jug is flawed, but bst would be a bandwagon job if they added a scorpion, opo, wivre, or a ram jug (With all of there moves intact). Yea, I said it, bst a bandwagon job.

The key to taking bst to the next level is a careful implementation of jugs. It appears that the devs just throw any pet out there without considering what bst really is, a damage dealer. SE should always release the monsters with the most dd potential; if our next batch contains more of the same second tier dd pets, expect more of the same....

I know you guys/gals are probably tired of me repeating this, but this is indeed a big problem; and if they finally release a dd pet, you guys/gals will see a dramatic difference. That is all I have to say really; I am tired of repeated the same stuff as you are hearing it. Gonna leave this thread until they release a true dd pet, no use repeating the same crap over and over.

[Leonardus]

The key to taking bst to the next level is a careful implementation of jugs. It appears that the devs just throw any pet out there without considering what bst really is, a damage dealer. SE should always release the monsters with the most dd potential; if our next batch contains more of the same second tier dd pets, expect more of the same....

BST is more of a hybrid DD/Tank, WoW. I personally love this aspect of the job, with certain jugs being more offensive or defensive. I hope they continue to offer both types.

We could use an Amorph pet for Killer Instinct. Fargann was nice, but you know, stuck at Lv.114, the usual.

[WoW]

BST is more of a hybrid DD/Tank, WoW. I personally love this aspect of the job, with certain jugs being more offensive or defensive. I hope they continue to offer both types.

We could use an Amorph pet for Killer Instinct. Fargann was nice, but you know, stuck at Lv.114, the usual.

Idk....there were ppl complaining about pet survivability in this thread (Which is warranted on harder content, doubt a pet can tank Wopket efficiently).

As far as them offering both offensive and defensive jugs; idk...do we have any offensive jugs? None of our current jugs are offensive nor defensive because their damage is lackluster with acc food (Due to their ready moves and lack of attack; a scorpion with sharp strike or sheep/ram with rage would solve this) and one of the main gripes in this thread is pet survivability (All bst WKR/Delve axes should have -DT on them, but non of our pets are particularly durable; unless you are strictly fighting slashing mobs). Higher tier bosses don't care about Ibuki's slashing resistance; most mobs do special-ish attacks in SoA areas.

Bst will never replace nin, pld, or even run as a tank, hence should stick to being a dd. Ppl do not invite us to tank, plds and nins have better tools for it. I doubt our pets can hold hate off a REM dd. I think the hybrid niche is the problem, we can do multiple things decently, but we are particularly good at nothing, hence why ppl would rather invite a mnk to dd or a pld/nin to tank.

Imo, give us dd jugs and -DT (Most mobs use a special ability attack iirc, hence -DT will be superior to -PDT. It is superior anyway XD lol) on axes, the pet food update was nice, but our current jugs are not dds..........Non of these pets will out-dd a scorpion, ram/sheep, or a Opo-opo, period, unless they un-cap the sheep, but the sheep would not out-dd a scorpion, a scorpion should be our go to dd pet. It makes absolutely no sense to have a powerful dd monster absent from our jug list, no sense at all.

[Leonardus]

Bst will never replace nin, pld, or even run as a tank, hence should stick to being a dd. Ppl do not invite us to tank, plds and nins have better tools for it. I doubt our pets can hold hate off a REM dd. I think the hybrid niche is the problem, we can do multiple things decently, but we are particularly good at nothing, hence why ppl would rather invite a mnk to dd or a pld/nin to tank.

No WoW, we are not going to replace a pld, or a run. You can co-tank, however, on the hard stuff. You're like a DRG with Super Jump every 30 seconds, it has its uses.

And no, BST is not all about the pet. Put more than one point into Killer Instinct and give everyone a boost. Procure the strongest weapons and do the best you can. Yeah, we need help on the high-end. I really wouldn't mind a scorpion. But also keep in mind that BST jugs are specially-tuned. Just because a ram in the wild seems strong, doesn't mean a jug version would suddenly blow everything that currently exists away. I think you're setting yourself up for future disappointment if you think calling a mini-behemoth will transform us (It would look cool, though!).

[SNK]

I may have been wrong about the food; that combined with the plethora of pet acc gear for pet should be enough to hit decently on harder content (Just speculating and going by comments from other players).

I was the biggest detractor pertaining to bst buffs and food, however, I really sat down and pondered this issue. On weaker mobs, pets are not world beaters by any means, usually, endgame involves difficult mobs which our current pets struggle on.

Well it really comes down to how you gear not only your pet but yourself as well. To me Jug pets these days take a backseat to my damage, They're tanks for the most part of what I work with which is how I like it. I don't enjoy sitting on my ass and letting my pet do all the work while I just sit there and pop reward if shit goes south.

I am not going to tell you that your experiences were wrong (Who am I to say that? Really...), considering the amount of +acc jugs receive from gear. Also, this thread shows that some individuals did have success with the new food http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/43...mochi-effects/

I've toyed with the accuracy food in Skirmish III and I've seen some real positive results from Ibuki on 3/3/3 Runs. Mind you have I have 4 Points invested into Pet Accuracy from CPs but even then the new food really bridges the gap that jug pets suffer from higher content mob. It doesn't mean I'll be taking BST into Delve but, I'm content that I see my jugs pulling hate and surviving a lot better then I'd hoped they would.

Bst also has a pretty nasty merit ws.

This is very true. I capped this puppy to 5/5 and have put out some amazing #s for a hybrid DD job. No I'll never outparse a WAR MNK or SAM but I did get a chuckle out of me outparsing two RNGs vs AA Galka. Still trying to wrap my head around that sometimes, All I really did was DD that Galka and fall back everytime my shadow timers were down. I was doing on average 2.8k to 3.2k Ruinators on that mob in difficult.

However, I still feel that jug pets are merely naked mobs whom are not that special (Hence does not warrant an invite over a mnk, sam, war, or rng). However, I am going to be positive for once, imo, one thing that hinders bst dd wise is poor jug selection, but that is not gonna happen hence bst will stay were it is, second class job. I still believe the overall concept of the jug is flawed, but bst would be a bandwagon job if they added a scorpion, opo, wivre, or a ram jug (With all of there moves intact). Yea, I said it, bst a bandwagon job.

lol Well in a way BST is a bandwagon job but so many people play it so god awful that it's no wonder people don't invite BSTs to anything serious. The only reason I've gotten access to some end game content isn't because I have a 119 Guttler, it's because I don't fulltime Pet gear when it's not needed & I spent a ton of time on multiple gearsets for the job tho god only knows why. lol

I like the idea of Jug pets and honestly it originally to me was added because a BST being able to charm mobs in Abyessa would be too overpowering.

The key to taking bst to the next level is a careful implementation of jugs. It appears that the devs just throw any pet out there without considering what bst really is, a damage dealer. SE should always release the monsters with the most dd potential; if our next batch contains more of the same second tier dd pets, expect more of the same....

I think the thing SE is worried about is how overpowering that kind of jug would be for content that isn't end game. Not that it should matter but, I'm not the one playtesting this. The only thing I was slightly sad about was the Pet Treasure Hunter nerf but even then that's only minor.

I know you guys/gals are probably tired of me repeating this, but this is indeed a big problem; and if they finally release a dd pet, you guys/gals will see a dramatic difference. That is all I have to say really; I am tired of repeated the same stuff as you are hearing it. Gonna leave this thread until they release a true dd pet, no use repeating the same crap over and over.

For there to be a true DD pet it's gonna have to break a teir. tbh For a crap like Salvage and geartrains, I have a lot of fun cleaving the crap out of stuff with LuckyLulush. Clocking 6 to 8 gears at once in Salvage II for 900 to 2.8k each it pretty OP if you ask me. Anything that would be stronger then that would worry me because I'm sure it would get hit with the nerfbat pretty damn fast.

[Louispv]

I can't tell if you were being serious about Skirmish, It's easy to do on BST. Delve however I'm not retarded enough to bother with that on BST since it's just easier to do on MNK COR or BRD. AAs I've done on BST multiple times outside of the Elvaan in groups.

The jug pets are fine like I said & now that we even have food which buff the pet's accuracy and attack even more, it's easier then ever.

Not even close to being the most exspensive in the game. Ranger alone is a job where you shoot money to do damage.

I dunno what game you're playing, but even with all the pet acc gear in the game and Shiromochi, Ibuki doesn't even have capped accuracy on Very Easy mode. On Easy she's already down to 70%ish accuracy, and on Normal she has maybe 50%, and that's while absolutely crippling your own damage with pet gear. There's no point in even calling a pet above normal, it'll be taking several thousand damage per AoE and never land a hit. And that's Ibuki only, too since she receives a 50% accuracy bonus, the other pets don't even have useful accuracy in Very Easy. (Then again they also don't have the evasion or halved slashing damage either, so they would die too quickly to be useful even if they did)

My 115 avatars have an easier time soloing Very Easy than my 119 Jug pets, since merit bloodpacts can't miss, and Soloing Very Easy's the only thing you'd even use BST for.

And you apparently haven't played RNG in like 6 years, the job is entirely free. Every RNG in my LS bought a single stack of ammo when they got access to T-rex or Shark bullets, and they've still got 90+ of those bullets left today, because you only actually lose ammo 1-2 at a time when you forgot to use scavenge before zoning. Capped Recycle has existed and been damn easy to get for years.

On the other hand BST loses 40k gil or 2000 plasm every single time they call a pet, spend 4k every time they use reward, 10k for every dawn mulsum, and can't get any of it back because you lose it every time you zone, the pet dies, or 2 hours elapse. (And Voidwatch still depops your pet every fight, why?) The entire economy of the game is R/E/M currency and BST pets/food, that's all crafting is anymore.

[Malithar]

And you apparently haven't played RNG in like 6 years, the job is entirely free. Every RNG in my LS bought a single stack of ammo when they got access to T-rex or Shark bullets, and they've still got 90+ of those bullets left today, because you only actually lose ammo 1-2 at a time when you forgot to use scavenge before zoning. Capped Recycle has existed and been damn easy to get for years.

Not a Rng myself, but when LS Rngs geared well enough for VD DM, low manned Ds, and constant Delve 2 farming say they lose 10-15 bullets total in a typical Delve or DM, I tend to believe them. Did your LS beat Shark yesterday?