New Fishing Adjustments Planned

[VoiceMemo]

I finally got around to trying the fishing changes and I've found 1 thing i don't like. As a 102 fisher with Ebisu, before I could tell what was on the end of the line based on how the stamia of the fish depleted. For harder fishes using the tapping direction method. But with this new way to fish, it relies solely on fishing instinct/gear for you to know if what is on the end of the line is what you want to reel in. That I don't like. The old system was better as those that knew fishing could tell what was on the end of the line based on the stamina depletion.

I don't like SE removing the skill aspect of fishing for more luck. Just like how salvage cells were replaced by random unluck. Skill > Luck.

[Dragoy]

VoiceMemo,


That indeed is somewhat true at least with the lower level fish, which have their stamina depleted automagically, without player input. It's not completely true for higher level fish, which don't immediately jump to our laps.

At 93-95, it would seem that around level 70 fish already go down rather fast, without any input, but it's easy enough to still notice is it's that fish, or some other fish. I can easily imagine this being an annoyance at some places.

Do you have any example fish in mind, that which are especially frustrating with this new system?

I've been mainly spending my time with cave cherax and a bit of matsya lately, aside from some guild-points fish (which is the only time I've yet to try lower level fish with the new system).

[esmrambo]

I don't get fishing skill ups! I am Apprentice level 42 fishing for Shall Shell and Monke-onke.
I have caught 30 fish with no skillup at all. Have the skill up rates been adjusted and is there fishing skillup food? This is getting to be very frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I give up on fishing. Not long til I give up on FFXI. SE apparently doesn't care about the player base.

[Dragoy]

esmrambo,


I've gone well beyond 100 catches without any advancement. I believe what you're experiencing is indeed intended (as to why anyone would want to impose that to anyone, I can't begin to guess).

That said, they often seem to come in packs. It's especially after a longer period of time with nothing at all when I have suddenly gained several advances in a row. It can be frustrating, but it is what it is.

As far as I know, only the Pelican Ring helps with the rate at which this skill goes up, but even two of them at once will not do miracles (or perhaps it does, but they're so small miracles it's difficult to tell). They do make it possible to get multiple advances in one pull, though.

For example something like this can, and has happened:

Dragoy caught a cave cherax!
Dragoy's fishing skill rises 0.3 points.
Dragoy's fishing skill rises 0.3 points.
Dragoy fell from his chair again.

I was at 45 myself until I started fishing again in the end of 2013. Well, I got my Lu Shang's quest finished just as we slipped to 2014, so it was only after that when I started to work on the skill. Just minutes ago I got to 98...


I've said it before, and I'll say it again: it would no doubt keep people at it better if they could see some progress more often.

[esmrambo]

Well, it is odd that SE doesn't want people to enjoy fishing.
But the more things that become unenjoyable, more less reason I have to continue playing the game. If you think about the definition of "game" a way to have fun. FFXi is becoming less and less a way to accomplish that.

[Nakts]

Even with the ring, skill ups are abysmal, we really do need a increase in the rates.

[Dragoy]

Even with the ring, skill ups are abysmal, we really do need a increase in the rates.

I'd make that: even with two rings simultaneously they're abysmal. ^^;

Even if I'm closing more and more to the limits (should soon be seeing 99), I'd still definitely like them to adjust this part of the system.

[dasva]

I don't get fishing skill ups! I am Apprentice level 42 fishing for Shall Shell and Monke-onke.
I have caught 30 fish with no skillup at all. Have the skill up rates been adjusted and is there fishing skillup food? This is getting to be very frustrating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I give up on fishing. Not long til I give up on FFXI. SE apparently doesn't care about the player base.

That's not really that odd. Statistical extremes happen and that's not really that unlikely. I mean I've missed 5 times in a row against something I had 95% capped accuracy against.

No ring I normally averaged about 2-3 levels a day fishing to full fatigue until 90+. Some places a bit higher and I've gotten as much as 10 levels in a day but yeah expect bad streaks too. So that comes out to averaging .1 every 10 but since some of those can be .2s or .3s actually less. So probably ends up being more like 5-10% skillup rate. But really skilling up fishing is the easiest least time consuming craft in the game. I've got it down to where I can go from 0 to ebisus in under a month and that's mostly sticking with decent bite rate fish so I can do it with less time ig. But compare to look at it this way at lower levels skillup rate is about 25-33% and but you have to actually get ingredients and spend money vs the ~5-10% for fishing where it's pretty much pure profit. But if 30 no skillups makes you want to quit fishing probably isn't for you. If tail ends of random numbers generators make you want to quit probably should get away from games that have any odds in them. I normally catch 12 hakryu an hour for example with a decent amount line breaks too. But I've also gone a full 4-5 hours without a single bite while not fatigued. That's just the way statistics work. I think I heard rumor of a food but no testing

[Nakts]

You should write a guide then, all the old ones are now obsolete.

[Olor]

Fishing does not have to be so frustrating, and it is not "pure profit" because you need to spend gil on bait/lures/rods

while getting SLOWEST skill ups. I've easily gotten to 10 in a craft in a day - at skill level 3 with fishing still and spent hours and hours and hours on it.