Please remove COP requirements on reforged relic and AF

[Zarchery]

But I guess we don't care, lets just push away more new players with this stuff, right?

There's a lot of things that are going to turn off new players. Most of them I think have to do with content that requires groups but that few people are interested in doing, like Delve or certain Assaults or some of the colonization reives blocking people or atmas and abyssites. I doubt a set of entirely soloable missions is probably not gonna be one of them. You can use "it will turn away new players" to justify any change.

[Crevox]

"I don't feel like doing this" is not an excuse for getting out of something.

How about something like "I work and go to school full time and if I wanted to do this it would consume all of the time I have to play the game for weeks and also guarantee I cannot play with my friends for those weeks?"

Hence, suggestion topic. Hence, change desired. Change would make better game. Change would make game fun. Let's suggest change!

You do not have a God-given right to reforged artifact/relic or any piece of equipment in this game. Either meet the prerequisites or don't.

Welcome to suggestion topic asking SE to change the requirements, because the time requirements are far too strict for the ~10 year old content being a requirement for current content rewards!

This is getting tiresome. All I see is a couple of children complaining "I want this and I deserve this!!!!" The adults say "Okay, but you have to do this. It's a simple task. Do that and you can have this." And the children just say "NO NO NO!!! I want this! Give it to me now!!!"

No, it's a suggestion topic asking to change the situation because it is poor. This is not good gameplay. This is not enjoyable. People would not be asking them to change it if it was enjoyable. *Most* people play games for fun. I'm starting to think others here don't.

Yes, that's an opinion. My opinion. I don't like it. So here, here's a suggestion topic asking SE to change it. Hey look, other people agree. This is going somewhere.

Deal with it and stop demanding that the world bend to your laziness.

I already did it. Long ago. It was a pain, it was dumb. Hence, suggestion topic. Asking SE to change it. There's nothing wrong with making suggestions to the game developer.

Your entire point you're making is flawed, but I can't be bothered to continue to state the same things over and over because you're too ignorant to see it. You're ignoring so many reasons for the suggestion, so many reasons why it's valid or makes more sense. You're choosing to see what you want to see, and believe what you want to believe about the reasons why the suggestion exists. This goes hand in hand with you simply believing whatever SE sets in game is correct and shouldn't be changed for any reason whatsoever. Nothing can be done about you.

[Lithera]

Also you say it is bored because you are doing it at max level. Even if you and all of the other new people stopped at 75 to do this it would not be boring when you got to a fight. Oh and um that same hill is the only way to claim a caturae along with doing some quests in the same zone in it's abyssea counterpart. Olor is at even more disadvantage since they had time before now to have this roadblock done when others were still heavily doing it and could probably get a quick help in doing somethings.

Your other main complaint is that there is a lot of runnign back and forth, guess what that so far is all that the current expansion's storyline is basically just that. So I guess it won't be for you until we find out it has a great item at the end, but then I'm sure you will start a thread complaining about how no one else wants to help because omg they already have done it and are happy with their choice for said item at the end.

Oh and the why are you still here posting bit was aimed at you stating your sub had ran out. So why stay around and continue to complain about a game you don't like because you burnt yourself out in less time than most people do in a year. Along with can't play unless you are planning on resubbing just to get Cait and still have no fun after that.

[Crevox]

This community: making a suggestion for change = complaining.

Man, I don't know how you people get by. All you do is say "if you don't like it quit" to everything and anything anyone says negatively about the game. This community is such a nice big happy family. Every post you make, every comment you make, every reply you make... is completely negative. Devoid of any positivity. Not only that, you assume the most negative possible feelings from anyone else. You just won't stop saying that I'm "complaining" and that I "had no fun with the game" and more. No matter how much I say otherwise... nope, that's how it is.

Like I said before, this is a huge reason why newbies don't stick around. Make one suggestion for change and woosh, everyone cuts off your head (and completely ignores what are probably actually good, valid reasons for why the suggestion is a good one). Not only that, you got people in other topics complaining about newbies asking them questions.

[Zarchery]

This community: making a suggestion for change = complaining.

You keep saying that. What I keep saying is that your suggestion is silly.

[Zarchery]

How about something like "I work and go to school full time and if I wanted to do this it would consume all of the time I have to play the game for weeks and also guarantee I cannot play with my friends for those weeks?"

A lot of people balance busy real life commitments with this game. You still haven't answered my question about why you should have to do the Rem's Tale and crafting item gathering tasks related to attaining this stuff.

[Crevox]

A lot of people balance busy real life commitments with this game. You still haven't answered my question about why you should have to do the Rem's Tale and crafting item gathering tasks related to attaining this stuff.

Crafting item gathering tasks? I buy them off AH. Done. If I didn't, I would look it up on where to get it. It probably drops from a monster. Okay, I kill it. That's fine. I can even do that with a friend!

Rem's Tale? I got them while leveling up with Sparks. I spent a currency to obtain them. If I didn't do that, I would be fighting monsters my level (doing those battlefields) to obtain them. Yay, combat. Yay, fights. Yay, relevant content with other people. Yay, a fun activity, doing something other than pressing R and steering my character. YAY MULTIPLAYER

The thing is, Chains of Promathia takes a ridiculous amount of time compared to those other things. A lot of time. Why do you have to do it? Because an invisible character flag in their database needs to be set to "yes." I'm not obtaining required items for it; it's a long, long, LONG task just to change that flag. Not only that, it's ~10 year old content. I can obtain those items above doing current content, with other people, multiplayer, online! Woo! Fun!

Why does the suggestion exist? Because it is seen as silly for CoP to be a requirement, for those reasons. I can earn the items required for the trade, but I can't MAKE the trade because I haven't changed that character flag by doing hours upon hours of questing that offers no other reward (oh boy rajas ring, that's so good for me as a summoner, so that's not even a prize for me). Not only that, CoP as a requirement has many flaws in itself besides just the time it takes: it's extremely boring, it is pretty much a solo endeavor (yes, you can drag your friends along if you want to torment them too, but they have zero reason to come with), etc, etc, etc... already mentioned in the thread.

You know how great it is to tell your friends "okay guys, we could get this awesome armor, but first, we gotta all go play by ourselves for a while. We gotta do days of quests before we can get the armor. Yeah, I know, it sucks, but we need the armor, so let's not play together at all for a while." Sure, you could do it together, but hey look, my friend had to go, we're both on the same part of the mission, let me stop doing it so we can do it again together next time and make it take even longer before we finish.

[Zarchery]

Crafting item gathering tasks? I buy them off AH. Done. If I didn't, I would look it up on where to get it. It probably drops from a monster. Okay, I kill it. That's fine. I can even do that with a friend!

Rem's Tale? I got them while leveling up with Sparks. I spent a currency to obtain them. If I didn't do that, I would be fighting monsters my level (doing those battlefields) to obtain them. Yay, combat. Yay, fights. Yay, relevant content with other people. Yay, a fun activity, doing something other than pressing R and steering my character. YAY MULTIPLAYER

The thing is, Chains of Promathia takes a ridiculous amount of time. A lot of time. Why do you have to do it? Because an invisible character flag in their database needs to be set to "yes." I'm not obtaining required items for it; it's a long, long, LONG task just to change that flag. Not only that, it's ~10 year old content. I can obtain those items above doing current content, with other people, multiplayer, online! Woo! Fun!

Why does the suggestion exist? Because it is seen as silly for CoP to be a requirement, for those reasons. I can earn the items required for the trade, but I can't MAKE the trade because I haven't changed that character flag by doing hours upon hours of questing that offers no other reward (oh boy rajas ring, that's so good for me as a summoner, so that's not even a prize for me). Not only that, CoP as a requirement has many flaws in itself besides just the time it takes: it's extremely boring, it is pretty much a solo endeavor (yes, you can drag your friends along if you want to torment them too, but they have zero reason to come with), etc, etc, etc... already mentioned in the thread.

Your argument is flawed. You are saying "CoP requirement is unacceptable because it's content I don't like, but Rem's chapters and crafting items are okay because it's content I do like". What if Joe Blow over there doesn't like farming sparks or doing the fights? On your logic, "I don't like it" is the only reason you need to eschew a requirement. You really just keep coming off as a whiny neurotic sloth saying over and over "I don't want to do what is required, but I want all the benefits anyway!"

[Crevox]

Your argument is flawed. You are saying "CoP requirement is unacceptable because it's content I don't like, but Rem's chapters and crafting items are okay because it's content I do like". What if Joe Blow over there doesn't like farming sparks or doing the fights? On your logic, "I don't like it" is the only reason you need to eschew a requirement.

There it is again! Ignoring all points of the post and summing it up as "I don't like it."

What was the point of even answering if no matter what I said, you were going to reply with that?

I'm going to sleep, my brain can only handle so much troll in one sitting.

[bungiefanNA]

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