Suggestions: Quality of Life Stuff and other suggestions

[Afania]

First off, I am not asking the requirement to be cut in half, you're not reading my posts, I said reduce the Assault Tag timer to 6 hours via KIs and fix ToAU kings to pop properly, as well as potentially cutting the Alex down to a smaller amount such as 10,000.

First you claimed you didn't ask the requirement to cut in half, then asked the alex requirement to be 1/3 of it is now, some logic lol.

You asked the requirement to cut MORE THAN HALF basically, it's the longest requirement for the majority.

Secondly, asking for something to be changed for your benefit alone is as selfish as asking for everything to stay the same because you want your Mythic to be special.

This is incorrect, I've been asking mythic NOT to change requirement BEFORE I have one. Even if I never want to work for one, I still don't want it to change. I don't just create a character with Mythic in inv at lv 1, there's a pretty long period of time I have no Mythic too, and I'm perfectly fine with not being 1% if I don't work for it.


As stated before, everyone have their own opinion toward what makes the game more fun. IMO, MMORPG with social hierarchy is more interesting than MMORPG without. Even if I ended up on the lower end of hierarchy, I'd still play a game with social hierarchy and just be happy to be on the lower end. Whether I'm 1% of player or 99% of player, the game is still more interesting with hard to obtain epic items. I picked FFXI as my main MMORPG, because having social hierarchy made the game interesting to me. If I want a game without epic item, I'd just play other games.

I see nothing "selfish" about asking FFXI to be FFXI, a game I loved. Why'd I pop on a forum and ask dev to change FFXI into another game I don't like? It does not hurt anyone's benefit by asking dev to keep this game the way it is because I liked how it was. If you don't like what makes FFXI FFXI, play FFXIV.

Lastly, some jobs only have Mythics, no Relic, no Empyrean, which is another part of why Mythics should be adjusted, so all jobs have a reasonable goal to pursue, rather than something like COR either being stuck with a normal 119 weapon, or, going through the entire process of making a Mythic for a weapon that can only ever be used on COR, not even their RNG.

What are you talking about, lol. COR has empy, and current weapon that's on top isn't legendary. Whoever goes through the entire process of making a Mythic for a COR do it for a COR. RNG with no access isn't relevant. You said you want every job to have reasonable goal to pursue, which I fully agree on, and it's been my main point entire time. But cutting mythic requirement by half does not provide a reasonable goal, it devalues the goal. If you really care about certain job needs a reasonable goal, you should ask the dev to make 4th legendary with same requirement as relic, not devalue current goal.

Explain to me how it belittles whatever accomplishment you feel you made in wasting all of that time. I am asking for the quest not to suck ass and be a waste of time, I already explained I am in the middle of making 3~9 Mythics, if you think I do not understand the requirements then you're simply not paying attention, but seeing as you have seemingly ignored half of what I have said, no surprise.

I didn't assume you don't know the requirement, and idc whether you're making 3 mythic or 90 mythics and what you've gone through while making them, it's irrelevant to the topic.

It's not I ignored half of what you have said, it's you simply don't agree with my POV and vice versa. Fine. I said my opinion about Mythic, if you can't accept it, then so be it.


Oh and btw:

Thirdly, I say again, if you want a super rare item that few have, Afterglow exists just for you, I hate it just as much as I hate the idea of this being rare just for rarity sake, but, I don't care because its worthless, if you want something rare its your prize.

Loled at this, majority of mythic's is as worthless as afterglow, and afterglow isn't complete zero improvement, just the improvement is small and requirement is above what majority of people can afford. By logic you'd want to ask afterglow requirement to reduce too. It makes no sense that you're ok with current afterglow requirement(900M for extra crit-rate after WS for entire pt), but not ok with current Mythic requirement (300~400M for what? -na more often or 60% more QD dmg in WKR or something similar) They're on same tier of worthlessness.

It seems to me that you want mythic requirement to reduce because you want yourself or your friend a mythic, less about what makes better game. Thus you can make above statement that makes zero sense....not ok with mythic because you want one, but ok with afterglow and just ask whoever want to be elite make afterglow because you don't want one.

I'm ok with afterglow, I want it, it's still improvement, hell probably more improvement than my Mythic, but I can't afford it, thus I'm not 1%. But I don't really care that I don't have it and would never ask dev to lower the requirement to suit my need, unlike you.

[Demonjustin]

First you claimed you didn't ask the requirement to cut in half, then asked the alex requirement to be 1/3 of it is now, some logic lol.

I asked for 1 part of it to possibly be lowered, its the only part of the changes I want but don't care much about, Alexandrite as a requirement in the amount needed is insanely stupid, but even if you cut it into a 3rd of its current amount you are not halving the work required for a Mythic, you still have 100 Assaults, you still have 100k Tokens, 150k Ichor, the Kings, the Chariots, Odin, every ZNM except possibly PW if you buy your items for 99, the amount of work is immense, taking out 20,000 Alex sounds a lot bigger than it is in the grand scheme of things.

This is incorrect, I've been asking mythic NOT to change requirement BEFORE I have one.

The point was not that you want to keep your specific Mythic special its the fact you want Mythics in general to stay special, you're missing the point by focusing on something entirely different than that of which I am getting at.

Whether I'm 1% of player or 99% of player, the game is still more interesting with hard to obtain epic items. I picked FFXI as my main MMORPG, because having social hierarchy made the game interesting to me. If I want a game without epic item, I'd just play other games.

You have afterglow if you want 'epic items' in the game that no one can get, an answer to your wishes which by the way isn't really different than your answer to others that they can just go get another weapon for your job.

I see nothing "selfish" about asking FFXI to be FFXI, a game I loved. Why'd I pop on a forum and ask dev to change FFXI into another game I don't like? It does not hurt anyone's benefit by asking dev to keep this game the way it is because I liked how it was. If you don't like what makes FFXI FFXI, play FFXIV.

I fail to see how Mythics make FFXI, FFXI, what makes this game is its community, gameplay, and its story/enviroment, I have no wish to change the game, I also have no wish to leave Mythics, a single type of weapon, as they are.

What are you talking about, lol. COR has empy, and current weapon that's on top isn't legendary. Whoever goes through the entire process of making a Mythic for a COR do it for a COR. RNG with no access isn't relevant. You said you want every job to have reasonable goal to pursue, which I fully agree on, and it's been my main point entire time. But cutting mythic requirement by half does not provide a reasonable goal, it devalues the goal.

You're correct, I meant to break that into two pieces, 1 for jobs like COR with little access to their alternative, Empyrean, and jobs like GEO and RUN which will have no alternative. As for making another class of weapon, I rather them not, I rather them just make Mythics more bearable and have Afterglow fit their original intended purpose.

Loled at this, majority of mythic's is as worthless as afterglow, and afterglow isn't complete zero improvement, just the improvement is small and requirement is above what majority of people can afford. By logic you'd want to ask afterglow requirement to reduce too. It makes no sense that you're ok with current afterglow requirement(900M for extra crit-rate after WS for entire pt), but not ok with current Mythic requirement (300~400M for what? -na more often or 60% more QD dmg in WKR or something similar) They're on same tier of worthlessness.

Not really, 10 Attack, 10 Accuracy, 5% Crit Rate, those are the Afterglows so far as I understand and all but the Crit Rate are so minor that its stupid. Mythics on the other hand do a lot for jobs, if you can honestly say that all 3 of those stats above are in any way close to the use of what Nirvana, Kenkonken, Burtgang, and so on have to offer, then you obviously have no grasp of stats in this game. I am fine with Afterglows as they are because they are exactly what you seem to think Mythics should be, trophies, no one will ever really make Afterglows for their buffs, and if I'm not mistaken SE even said from the start they were meant to be the impossible to obtain super rare weapons that you keep talking about, part of why they make you glow even when not in battle, because it makes you stand out.

It seems to me that you want mythic requirement to reduce because you want yourself or your friend a mythic, less about what makes better game. Thus you can make above statement that makes zero sense....not ok with mythic because you want one, but ok with afterglow and just ask whoever want to be elite make afterglow because you don't want one.

No, actually I plan to do an Afterglow on my Murgleis, as well as having my GF & Friend pick 1 weapon of their 3 Mythics in which to Afterglow as well. I find that easily acceptable in my mind because no one needs the Mythic 99 items or anything else from it and it plays off of no sort of limited resource. I will admit, I have a certain amount of disgust for the fact that someone would make an Afterglow for an Empyrean, because the supply of Rift items is so insanely low that it seems horrible to me that someone would be so selfish as to buy the supply of 50 Empyrean 99s worth and throw it away so they can glow, but I know you won't agree with that sentiment. In either case, I want for Mythic to change has nothing to do with my own personal involvement in making them, I am making 9 now, I would be making 9 then, thats why I keep throwing that number out there, its not as though I plan to make 1 but if they would change it, all of a sudden, I would jump out of my seat and make the other 2.

You're claming that I am not asking for whats better for the game, but rather, better for me, I think its more accurate to say I am not asking for whats better for the game, but better for the general community, since the majority of people who do want Mythics will never obtain them because of all of the work through meaningless content that is involved.

I'm ok with afterglow, I want it, it's still improvement, hell probably more improvement than my Mythic, but I can't afford it, thus I'm not 1%. But I don't really care that I don't have it and would never ask dev to lower the requirement to suit my need. I never ask any fix on this forum to suit my need, unlike you.

I~ really don't care about Afterglow much myself, only reasons I will even do one is my GF wants one and just like with Mythic I figure why not, if I'm going to do the footwork for 1, may as well do 1 each. But either way, as I explained I don't really ask for this for my own personal benefit alone, which you seem to take it as, and if you continue to proceed under that frame of mind then it truely is pointless to even talk to you because you believe all of my intentions are self centered rather than considering that it could be better for the general population of players on the game, which, I do believe it would be, seeing as it would still be the hardest of the 3 weapon types, and would still pale in comparison to Afterglow in rarity, where real rarity quests should be, in obscure stand out items with no real benefit but rather a massive trophy status.

[Afania]

I asked for 1 part of it to possibly be lowered, its the only part of the changes I want but don't care much about, Alexandrite as a requirement in the amount needed is insanely stupid, but even if you cut it into a 3rd of its current amount you are not halving the work required for a Mythic, you still have 100 Assaults, you still have 100k Tokens, 150k Ichor, the Kings, the Chariots, Odin, every ZNM except possibly PW if you buy your items for 99, the amount of work is immense, taking out 20,000 Alex sounds a lot bigger than it is in the grand scheme of things.

30k alex took the longest time for me, other requirement not so much. But then again, I'm on the lower end when it comes to amount of gil I have(not elite). I think for majority of players, 30k alex is the longest requirement.

I fail to see how Mythics make FFXI, FFXI, what makes this game is its community, gameplay, and its story/enviroment, I have no wish to change the game, I also have no wish to leave Mythics, a single type of weapon, as they are.

Gameplay and story is hardly anything to write home about, I agree that community is something different from other MMO, but it isn't everything.

If you ask all the ex-FFXI player, what makes FFXI FFXI, I bet a lot of them are going to answer "sense of accomplishment". I played XIV ARR after lanuch, met a lot of ex-FFXI player and talked about the game for a bit. A lot of them did mentioned something like CoP/FFXI endgame, something that needs time and effort to accomplish. They may no longer play FFXI due to several reasons, maybe cuz of rl, or maybe cuz they don't like the change post Abyssea, but "feeling accomplished after hardwork" is one common answer.

Not really, 10 Attack, 10 Accuracy, 5% Crit Rate, those are the Afterglows so far as I understand and all but the Crit Rate are so minor that its stupid. Mythics on the other hand do a lot for jobs, if you can honestly say that all 3 of those stats above are in any way close to the use of what Nirvana, Kenkonken, Burtgang, and so on have to offer, then you obviously have no grasp of stats in this game. I am fine with Afterglows as they are because they are exactly what you seem to think Mythics should be, trophies, no one will ever really make Afterglows for their buffs, and if I'm not mistaken SE even said from the start they were meant to be the impossible to obtain super rare weapons that you keep talking about, part of why they make you glow even when not in battle, because it makes you stand out.

Again, you're ok with afterglow being trophy but not Mythic. Nirvana/KKK/Burtgang is not make or break for the job. Not as much as Ochain and harp. Even then it's only 3 out of 20. If you feel worried about the gap, you can also ask the dev to make better IL119 none mythic alternatives?

Personally I don't get gear for "trophy", I do them for stat, even if stat is minor improvement I'd still want it. But I do think not everyone should be able to get every gear, unless they're damn serious about the job.

You're claming that I am not asking for whats better for the game, but rather, better for me, I think its more accurate to say I am not asking for whats better for the game, but better for the general community, since the majority of people who do want Mythics will never obtain them because of all of the work through meaningless content that is involved.

Except it isn't as simple as it is. There are many different opinion within the community. Some wants easy mythic so they can have one, some have no mythic but would rather want mythic to be epic. Some simply doesn't care whether they have mythic or not. Asking the requirement to be lowered does not necessary benefit the community.

At one point of time I don't have one too and wanted one, but if anyone ask the dev to lower the requirement I wouldn't agree with them. Because if the requirement is lowered, I know I wouldn't get same level of satisfaction after it's done. Asking the requirement to cut in half does not help me, it'd kill my satisfaction from playing the game. Of course there are different opinion too. I even have lsmate said this game is no fun without long term goal.

How can you claim to "do request not for myself, but for the community". It makes 0 sense since everyone in the community has different opinion.

You still haven't convince me how Mythic requirement cut in half is better. If you want smaller gap for SMN PUP you can ask the dev to make more weapons with specific stat. If you want mythic requirement not boring to do you can ask the dev to make current content for mythic. Until then I still see all that "I want a mythic give me a mythic, me me me".

[Demonjustin]

If you ask all the ex-FFXI player, what makes FFXI FFXI, I bet a lot of them are going to answer "sense of accomplishment". I played XIV ARR after lanuch, met a lot of ex-FFXI player and talked about the game for a bit. A lot of them did mentioned something like CoP/FFXI endgame, something that needs time and effort to accomplish. They may no longer play FFXI due to several reasons, maybe cuz of rl, or maybe cuz they don't like the change post Abyssea, but "feeling accomplished after hardwork" is one common answer.

So you believe that by taking away random King pops and lowering the recast on Assault Tags to 6 hours that the accomplishment of a Mythic would be negated?

Again, you're ok with afterglow being trophy but not Mythic. Nirvana/KKK/Burtgang is not make or break for the job. Not as much as Ochain and harp. Even then it's only 3 out of 20. If you feel worried about the gap, you can also ask the dev to make better IL119 none mythic alternatives?

I only mentioned examples, its not as though only those 3 are great, and I have no faith that SE could or would provide such a thing in all honesty, which is exactly why I don't, after all, they still haven't fixed the imbalance between shields like Aegis and Ochain compared to every other shield in the game, what would make me think that they would really fix this issue well?

How can you claim to "do request not for myself, but for the community". It makes 0 sense since everyone in the community has different opinion.

The majority of people I have talked to in the community seem to have shared similar views on the subject, I already explained that.

You still haven't convince me how Mythic requirement cut in half is better. If you want mythic requirement not boring to do you can ask the dev to make current content for mythic. Until then I still see all that "I want a mythic give me a mythic, me me me".

If they made it take less time in return for having a more difficult path with current content difficulty levels, that would be ideal.

As for how it's better, it wastes less of people's time to get it, the problem isn't doing the content, the problem isn't the difficulty, the hardships endured, the long path to attainment, none of that is what I even care about. I keep saying that Alexandrite as a change is an afterthought by compare to what I am mainly talking about being done which is a change from 24 hours per tag to 6 hours per tag and an adjustment to the Kings to make their pop timers actually well designed rather than the horrible design that it is now, but rather than saying much of anything about that you seem dead set focused on talking about Alexandrite and how I terribly want to cut the requirements in half every time you post even after I basically said I want it to happen, but, its not the main thing I am worried about.