R/M/E 99 to 119 upgrade info and findings

[Demon6324236]

That's great for multiboxers. Who are paying extra fees to SE every month. What a happy coincidence!

This is one of the times I say you are being a pessimist... you could take your friends with you to farm and get more done, or team up with others to farm and then do the battles, rather than think of this or focus on it, you are busy complaining about how its easier for players playing multiple characters, do you see what I am getting at?

[Mefuki]

I'm referring to the zoning thing:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118...=1#post5949089

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/118...=1#post5946541

That's great for multiboxers. Who are paying extra fees to SE every month. What a happy coincidence!

I think it's more like, "That's a great incentive to encourage people to party up but it's not mandatory to make progress."

[Demon6324236]

TBH I gonna wait until you are all farming iLvl 150 gear this time next year, and the af1-99 sets are being given away for free in log-in event.

I am a bit disappointed, I really did try to help and suggest things for you to try I think would work, and instead you ignored them and chose to be pessimistic about it once more.

[detlef]

Sometimes a person is just convinced that the situation is hopeless and isn't willing to listen to reason.

[Ravenmore]

Re; starting shouts. People are doing the bcnm in closed groups on VT mode for max drops. Nobody with enough SKC is going to waste it on /sh runs.

Re; farming the SKC. I am. It will take me till 2016 to complete like 3 armor sets at this rate.

Re; old areas endgame content, we have a difference of opinion. I went the path of avoiding the big LS's, and did lowman path. Because the simpering /dancefortheLSleader path to get some drops eventually didn't interest me. I also consider farming your own haku pop, and killing that mob on 3 ppl, was endgame, it was not easy at all in 2005. And the item was relevant for five years so it can't have been junk can it. We also duo'd Xol for the Zoolater hat, after waiting for the big LS alliances to wipe horribly to him.
And yes on solo sometimes ppl tried to steal the mob on 1%, but that doesn't mean it wasn't fun to solo those hard mobs, if you like challenge and excitement. <EDIT: in 2006 January I claimed Alkyoneus on solo BST, the RMT were late to arrive as it had overlapped with another high value time pop, and their mages were still in QI running to the tower, the NM was on like 6% after absolutely ages of mad kiting and me being on like 30hp half the time, the RMT stole the NM from me, but they lacked mage support and their seven members died in less than a minute after which I got the NM back and killed it, he dropped and ice crystal btw and after he died the RMT sent me a /tell asking for a raise. I have screenshots of the battle timestamped with SE 2006 at the bottom. Gear used was bst af1 and a light staff.>
Certainly those old days endgame offered a lot more fun than farming SKC's off rabbits or watching Yumcax die slowly again for hours, if that is what you call end game then I despair.

In 2005 a group 6 good 75s could take it out and 12 75s would run it over like a pinto getting hit by a train. As for alky lol I know dozens of bst and thfs that where soloing it in 2006 wasn't that hard just like everything else that was old endgame(not like either of those mobs were considered endgame by the rest of the player base). Killing that mob solo was nothing new in fact was done all the time. Just like Avesta never being that impressive when you see another rdm do every one of his solos in half the time. Not like DoT kite is impressive, it was well known and exploited by many more then him. As soon as ToAU(well the truth was when Omega was released) came out Ohat was pretty much junk to anyone that know how to gear and hit acc cap with out it and knew to use food. It was useful from 70 to 75 after that it was replaced.

[predatory]

Stompa is right on this whole thing, and if you guys weren't looking through rosy colored glasses because wow SE just brought back RME and AF, you'd realize that there is no reason for the revamped AF or RMEs to be so insanely time consuming to get, especially considering the RMEs aren't really much stronger than Delves, and the AF is the same as Run and GEO as far as item levels. The AF should have been a forced pop nm using your old AF as the trigger, if you lost the fight you lost the AF piece, (which isn't really a big deal because they can be re-quested easy enough at 99), but if you won you get a shiny new AF piece to match Run and Geo. Well now guess what? You didn't really get any new content, but you sure got another time sink. Way to go SE rah rah rah. And you guys that are cheerleading SE on this should pull your heads out of your asses, (I think the lack of oxygen is really killing your brain cells), and think about how fucked up this really is.

Give 'em hell Stompa you are 100% on the money, don't let a few retards stop you from letting SE know just how badly they messed up

[Demon6324236]

there is no reason for the revamped AF or RMEs to be so insanely time consuming to get

You didn't really get any new content, but you sure got another time sink.

Yes, they should have given us all free upgrades on our 99 RMEs instantly and then on top of that made easy NMs to kill for quests that take less than a day to do so we have our full RF and our RMEs a day or two after the update. Then for the next month we can stand around in Adoulin complaining about how we have no new content. Totally agree, awesome idea, why didn't I think of it sooner!

[Demon6324236]

People could say your making all of your stories up too ya know.

[Anjou]

On a more serious note however, I think that the grind is a little better than just being handed out to us. Gotta work for your meals as they say.

[Ravenmore]

Hi yeah. Just stop and rewind that. You are lying. "Dozens of bst and thf were soloing alky in 2006". LIE. Thief couldn't solo Alky until SE transformed it into a pop-spawn mob, and THF/DNC was available. Old version Alky hit like a truck full of obese people, and did AOE that wiped shadows and NO amount of THF bloody bolts would keep them alive without at least some support.
I even saw several Nins and Thfs dying on that occasion when they stole the mob at 6% and they couldnt even solo it down past 4% because it hit really hard back then. You are probably confusing it with the super easy pop Alky that everyone knows from recent years.
Also you say you know dozens of Bst that solo'd it. I call BS on that too. Number one ; RMT had that mob locked down continuously, occasionally it was claimed by other LS, but normally solo players didnt stand a chance at claiming it because the gloves were 30m on the AH. You never saw BST soloing it. And if THF could solo that NM, every THF on the server would be camped in Upper Delkfutt's tower, on solo-mode, waiting for the chance to solo a 30m gil drop. The reason you never saw solo BST or solo THF hanging around UDT waiting for the mob to pop is that it was not a solo mob at all. You saw the server's biggest LS hanging round there, and the RMT shells were there all the time and they usually got the claim because of their 'enhanced claim products.' Either way, you never saw solo THF standing round UDT waiting for Alky to pop, which you certainly would seen have if any solo player with TH4 could grab Alky and solo it np. My friend Non was a premier JP thief and he would never have gone anywhere near that place on solo.
Only reason it happened to me is that I was skilling up sword (for lols) on the Jotunns and Alky popped right ontop of my head pretty much, and the RMT were downstairs hurrying up. And back then all BST were uniform-gear, AF/relic charm sets, light staves. Forget melee that NM, we didn't have snarl ability back then. Was a straight charm fight. So my experience is uniform for what any other BST would have experienced, ie. winning by sheer luck and getting PTSD and being on like 10hp half the time. Thats not a strat that people can use as a regular tecnique. Old version alky was taking out Courrier Carrie jugpets in 4-5 hits. He was taking out the bats I charmed in like 6~ hits too. I beat him by pure luck as it happens, it is not possible to cast cure often up there because of the magic jugs, so I was kiting him on like 10% of my hp most of the time. It is not an orthodox BST vs. NM fight and on my LS (a BST LS) I was the only person that did it and I freely admit that I won by luck. The RMT who wiped 7/7 (including several THF and nin) actually said it was a big achievement, coz they watched me kiting him for the last 8%~. Anyway I never met another BST that solo'd him back then, and technically THF would have been impossible back then just because of the damage output and you not having /dnc even. Anyway, say what you want, we know you're making it up as you go along now.
Also re; Avesta, its really easy to look back in hindsight and say "oh anyone could do that stuff" but in truth most people really couldn't, and if they had been able to f.ex solo ODS on Blm75 you would have seen videos of them doing it online. Avesta was a true & very humble legend and was my great honour to even meet him on Remora. But now that everyone is 99 with ilvl-w/e gear and millions of stats on everything, they can talk about how easy it was to do stuff back then, even though mysteriously only Avesta and a few others actually put out videos of them doing that stuff, which is surprising because if everyone was doing that stuff you'd expect to have seen the thousands of videos online.

LOL guess some one never freaking heard Bloody bolts. Thfs have fairly good marksmanship and high enough to land status bolts easy. Thfs have really high eva then stack eva gear on top of it with /nin and bolts and it was done a lot.

People did what he did all the time and faster at that. He was nothing special. No you wouldn't expect it since it wasn't all that impressive. Tickling a mob to death over a couple hours was a sure fire way to P** off every sky/hnm LS on your server and make you a target of griefing so why would anyone put them selves out there like that. You forget the server was a small play ground and people knew you and you couldn't run away yet to a new server unless you started over.