R/M/E 99 to 119 upgrade info and findings

[Demonviper]

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Because this was a prime chance to have nice equipment that didn't come from delve, some people like me don't want to do delve and the majority of people who did like delve are already well and truely sick of grinding it anyway.

But no, go do delve says the man in japan. Relic/empy/mythic 99 holders already feel they've done their grinding. The weapons already take far more time and effort to complete than delve weapons for aprox. parity, if we're going to go grind delve anyway, why would we spent 10 times as long upgrading our R/M/E weapon when we'd likely have the delve weapon for that class in a fraction of the time? Why would anyone make a new R/M/E from scratch, knowing that they'll have to do delve anyway in the end? why wouldn't they just do delve first, save themselves some time and simply get a delve weapon instead?

Basically, this was a huge kick in the teeth to anyone who made a R/M/E, would consider making a R/M/E or simply wants to do more in final fantasy XI than just spam delve.

[Zarchery]

I'm a little disappointed. I worked for months on a Spharai just to have it. I don't regret my actions. I enjoyed it, having a goal to strive for. But the thing is that I was able to strive for it alone. I could do it casually, with 2 hours of Dynamis farming a day that I could start when I wanted. These Relic upgrade requirements feel like a combination of "time sink" and "hope you're lucky enough to get a good group". While I appreciate that this is an multiplayer game by design, I just don't have the patience for rolling the dice on group gathering any more.

Also, as Vold pointed out, it seems really odd that, in order to upgrade a relic to be as good as a delve weapon, you need to do the same thing that will probably get you a delve weapon.

[Zarchery]

Well if that is the case how is that fair. here take this win on a mythic but we wont' let you make it mega boss so its useless good job btw at winning.

It's probably just an oversight. SE can fix this in an upcoming patch.

[Kincard]

There's just no arguing with you people that are mentally twisted enough to think "lol you can do this at 1/50th the speed by farming seals and then spamming BCs/farming bayld and then spamming WKR" to the people who never enjoyed Delve farming, or people who actually think "lol isn't this exactly what you wanted". This is without even mentioning the total retardation of "farm something that drop lv119 weapons 200 times, to get a lv119 weapon through a quest". If I was sane I'd sit on all my gil my inactive account has, log back in another 6 months when the market has settled and buy my way to victory, and then quit the game again (or just get bent and don't bother). Of course, SOMEBODY has to be farming these, who knows if there's actually going to be enough people actually supplying these in a few months.

I honestly really love[d] the game, so it just hurts to see simple things like this handled in such an idiotic way.

But really, pchan, I sincerely wish you happiness farming ADL another 200 times to afford your shit. I'm not going to be taking my advice from what's fun and what's not from someone who does the same fight every single fucking day for literally years though.

[FaeQueenCory]

Also, as Vold pointed out, it seems really odd that, in order to upgrade a relic to be as good as a delve weapon, you need to do the same thing that will probably get you a delve weapon.

I don't want to farm anything anymore coz I know it will be replaced in short time, that goes for armor and weaps too.

These two statement pretty much sums everything up.

And I think they actually play off each other.

The fact that everything you work for will become worthless in an update makes the effort of grinding out Delve to upgrade your REM not only daunting but a "why even bother" type deal.

People expected something similar to the +1ification of skirmish gear.
Why did no one care about that being easy as sin?
Because we all knew that that gear would be crap in a week.

The REM requiring a HUGE investment... not only to 119ify them.... but just to make the 75 base...
And the fear of instantly being made worthless again...

The Devs should really just come out and say it: Adoulin will NOT exceed 119.
Sure it'll piss off those ppl who have no life outside this game... cause now what will they do? they have all the 119 gear...
But for all the massive amounts of ppl who don't have the time to do nothing but grind Delve...
It'll assuage the populous knowing that the 119 effort for REMs will be worth it.

[cyric]

I actually didn't know there was a box and case, I just said case because I had forgotten (poor short term memory). I'm pretty sure it was a case though.

[Zumi]

In terms of drops it goes box > case > single.

Nobody has found a box yet. If salvage/nyzul pouches is basically the system we got here, there were cotton pouch had like 3-15, and linen pouch which had 50-99.

Now then nobody has really found a box yet which could possible have 55-99 rem items. I theorize that the boxes drop from macrocosmic orb fights set on lv5 or very difficulit. Nobody has done one of these orb fights yet since you must beat it once on normal to unlock level 4 and 5, and those orbs are 20 SKC each which takes quite some time to farm. Took someone in my LS 4 hours of killing SoA mobs just to get 10.

Where else could boxes drop from which might be the fast way to do RME 119? Only place I can think of is hard mode macrocosmic orb fights.

[detlef]

It could come from some content that hasn't been introduced yet. Perhaps they'll be released with the next Delve update.

[Zumi]

It could come from some content that hasn't been introduced yet. Perhaps they'll be released with the next Delve update.

Nobody had deconfirmed them not droping from hard mode orb fights yet so we should look there first.

[Damane]

Wait, you can sell the REM upgrade materials? Oh. So, why's everyone complaining? We wanted something for hardcores to work toward instead of just sitting around AFK, people were complaining about there being nothing to do just last week. This and the AF upgrades have give the game two boosts that it needed. 1) We now have our REMs back, possibly even giving us that "elite Gear" feeling people have been missing depending on long it takes to upgrade (You know how a lot of people have been complaining about how everyone has Oat and there's no gear that you feel sentimental toward?) and 2) Gil actually serves a function again which has been a nagging problem for some time so I hear.

As far as the "But I have SO many REM's" or the "There are too many REMs that need upgrading" argument goes, I assume this was intentional on SE's part. Now there's a greater way of showing everyone your devotion to a job via these continuous upgrades. Are you upgrade all your REM's maybe not but your "Main Job"'s? Yeah, you might. So, maybe I'm missing something but all in all, it doesn't seem that bad.

I am sorry, even if the stuff is sellable, it doesnt cut it for me. I was hopeing for fun stuff, going back to delve after haveing it grinded out to death allready isnt fun... I am caped on delve gear (with full upgrades) and honestly bored of it now.

the new SKSNM sound fun, but there is the bottleneck/cockblock of haveing to farm sacred kindred crests (there isnt even an exchange option to exchange old seals into them) for probably 4 hours to get one orb going. Honestly if the new SKSNM were rather some form of battlefield you could enter once a day, so if you are a 6 man PT of people = x6 per day, once for each person, I would have been fine with it. But this is just utter garbage -_-.

Another fact is probable that I got so detached from FFXI the last 2 months (barely logging in) that I dont even care to go visit the new zones ._., there is 3 reasons for that:
1. alot of friends quit (some are still around!)
2. I feel like I am wasting my time trying to chase the carrot, because everything will become obsolete in 3-4 months anyway, which throws me back to point 0
3. my focus shifted and I dont want and cant invest that much time into FFXI like before

combine reason 2 and 3 together and you see why my motivation for this game has hit the lowest point ever: I dont have as much time to play as before -----> gear is getting constantly outdated -----> too much strain on time to keep up/on top -----> gear gets outdate again -----> you start to think "wtf is this shit I cant do this forever every 1-2 months" -----> REM update roles in with another huge timesink ----> "ok fuck this shit" is all I thought


I have no problem with partial parts of gearsets getting outdated, but alas atm it seems like everytime an update rolls in i have to replace almost all my gearsets with 5-6 gear pieces to keep the jobs I play on top. This is very time consumeing and frustrating when you play 5 different jobs that share little to no gear together (SCH WHM WAR COR BLU). the only jobs that share some moderate gear together are SCH and WHM and thats only for some curepotency and idle refresh pieces/debuff pieces/fast cast gear set (and thats only partialy). WAR COR and BLU share very little gear together.

besides the dev team allready indirectly said that it wont stop with iLvl 119 when they said that they will keep REM updated when they increase the iLvl to the next batch...
Dont get me wrong I like doing stuff, but i would like to have the feeling on working on something that doesnt get trivialized/obsolet as soon as I finished it.