Can we haz a merge

[Daemon]

In all fairness, the way you describe game mechanics is not how the game has been played in a long time. When was the last time you used PLDs for a fight for anything other than holding things? For me, it was about 5 years ago when we were killing JoL. Everything since then has not needed PLDs. What's the best way to kill Bahamut v2? Zerg it. Kirin? Zerg it. JoL? Zerg it. AV? Zerg it. Voidwatch? Zerg it. Legion? Zerg it. Delve? Zerg it. Odin v2? Zer- well maybe this one is a little different. That's why I feel like you're out of touch when you talk about game mechanics that are not even used anymore. If you don’t understand Tojil mechanics, you don’t understand the best way to clear any alliance-based content in the last 5 years.

You gave an example of fighting KB, wiping, and then grabbing it after another group wipes. What does that have to do with anything? People kiting KB to avoid Meteor doesn't mean you are old-school and understand game mechanics better than somebody who just started playing in the last 5 years.

Soloing Sky NMs on RDM, soloing Voidwrought on SCH, soloing whatever WoE it is you always brag about on BLU or whatever, those things are worthy of respect. However, they don't automatically mean you know everything. Just like playing for 11 years isn't a guarantee of anything.

I'm pretty sure you're the guy who advocated full timing Hvergelmir and got very defensive when somebody mathed out that you are more MP efficient switching other weapons in. I don’t remember how that thread ended but I hope you acknowledged that you still have things to learn. We all do, even those of us who’ve been playing since 2002.

Edit: first time I erased an entire post due to being a repeat of the same thing.

I never said I don't have anything else to learn. But I also never said I had all of the best.
You can prove what's best on paper. Having every single item would make you the best statistically. But does that make you the best skillfully?

Why do you need the best for everything if what you are doing doesn't need it? You need to be a masters degree in computer science to do something a high school student can do?

Do I need WR gear and delve weapons to beat VW?

The outcome of my argument over Hvelgamir. Our party was already netting 9k plasm. I didn't need 50% cure potency to conserve MP. Plenty of refresh options and my MP was fine. You should read the ending of that conversation. Then maybe you will learn that some people don't need to learn more about mechanics to accomplish the same goal. In fact people arguing then realized that I "could" full time Hvelgamir because I was in a good party with skilled team.

I'm not impressed by zerging bosses with more people. Why do you need more people to kill something?

The same as why you need 18 people to kill a level 15 skeleton in gusgen mines? >.>

The challenge is not there. If you were on the street, you gonna get 25 people to beat up a person?

That's the problem today. People assume events are only mAde to win with more people, less quality. As long as 100 DDs are attacking, 25 noobs to die for you to have more time to deal damage... Seriously?

I don't play for that.

I try to party with least amount of people so we can figure out how things can be won strategically than hire massive amounts of people to heal and Zerg all the way til death.

This is not Warcraft 3, diablo and any other game you just gang bang stuff for instant gratification.

I've led too many groups and have played in too many events low manning stuff to accomplish wins that joining these groups with massive amounts of people makes it out of control to the point you can't use strategy because no organization is possible.

This is the difference between how you play the game and how I like to play the game.


The reward for you might be winning fast.

The reward for me is winning something people thought was impossible.

[FrankReynolds]

You see? You have it backwards and are throwing it in my face. People here were telling me I'm not experienced enough to comment on anything.

I said I've been playing 11 years. I think by now I know the game already.

There's a big difference between saying it doesn't take 11 years to figure out FFXI and saying "you don't know what your talking about because you have never done the event and even if you had, you don't any more so your opinion is of no value".

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just hope that instead of being that silly, that you realize that there is a huge difference and are just bringing this up in a futile attempt to win a debate that even the participants are only mildly interested at this point.

What was the purpose of those examples? To tell you that you don't need a PHD to know how ALL EVENTS WORK and that fighting is fighting.

Regardless if the conditions have been altered every event has the same concept.


Kill boss, earn reward.

It doesn't matter how long it takes to kill a boss or what reward drops. The point is, all monsters implemented offer a way to win.

And regardless whether a level 50 boss is weaker than a level 100 boss.

Back when everyone was level 50 and bosses were considered end game. Your gear was capped to a certain power just the same as we are capped now.

Same concept regardless.

I don't need higher education to know how to beat a boss or win a fight.

At this point of the game the balance is tipped on depending on more people to win than back at level 50 when bosses could be done with less people.

Big deal. That's what happens as you gain higher level. Monsters have higher HP and more higher levels require higher conditions.

A fight is a fight. Conditions of the fight might be different but it doesn't mean you need to be almighty in knowledge to overcome the obstacle.

All rollercoaster have different turns, swirls, designs. But in reality its the same thing... A ROLLERCOASTER.

Do I need special knowledge to know what a rollercoaster is if I've seen many of them in 11 years?

Broad over generalizations will not win the debate. sorry.

[Daemon]

There's a big difference between saying it doesn't take 11 years to figure out FFXI and saying "you don't know what your talking about because you have never done the event and even if you had, you don't any more so your opinion is of no value".

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just hope that instead of being that silly, that you realize that there is a huge difference and are just bringing this up in a futile attempt to win a debate that even the participants are only mildly interested at this point.



Broad over generalizations will not win the debate. sorry.

And you are automatically assuming I "never" done the event and that's why you are still going on judging me after every reply.

Why would I comment on something I "never" done? Then again 11 years of experience playing the event 1 time is enough to understand how the event works.

Boss fight, has set conditions. Requires certain strategy. Requires the basic formula of tank, Damage dealers, buffers, debuffers, healers.

Meaning find the right amount of people and the right jobs.

Does it have a set timer or infinite time to kill it?

Win or lose

Result? Items drop or no drop from failure.

Same concept every event.

What adjustment could the DEV TEAM possibly make that would be impossible for me to figure out and defeat the objective is what I want to know.

Then again some servers have 600 people, others have 1,500-2k.

Your server might not have enough players while my server might have enough.

You guys talk as if every single player and server is suffering the same experience and then call me out as if my word has no value just because I stopped playing an event I already did.

Some claim it took them 10-27 hours. Did they have enough people? The right jobs? What time of day did the event happen? When servers were slow? JP peak time?

So just because you still play the event I need to be there to to understand how the event works?

How many times do I need to fight WR bosses to be considered up to your level in knowledge?

How does it work now that FFXIV was released?? Therefore your almighty knowledge is far more superior than mine still?

When I knew already this would happen. I observe stock market to know that you don't base your judgements on hype and can do perfectly fine by looking at the charts if you are experienced enough to know how it works. And you can fairly predict the outcome of certain events.

People thought apple shares would go up after announcing the iphone 5C and 5s. Charts showed before the announcement it wasn't going anywhere. Then stops fell after the disappointment. Watching the company for several years tells the story.

Mr computer programmer. How many times does it take for you to format and reinstall windows to know how it works if a new version of windows comes out?

Do you need to install a million times more to know its the same concept??

That's like telling a computer IT who went to collage, earned a bachelor, a masters degree to learn something a high school student can learn and tell that person they don't know what they are talking about all because they only did it once and its not enough regardless of how smart you are or how much experience you have, 1 time is not enough to know the process of installing windows on a computer.

Do I need to be a genius to read over discussions of how others beat and won a boss? After doing this for every boss for many years I'm sure by now I know how to read, what jobs to hire, and win.

But this doesn't help me if the members in the group are not able to follow. You speak as if you know more than me as if you killed the boss alone and never depended on the other people in your group to help you.

I've played every single boss in WoE, won to the point I made and led WoE parties, had enough people to cycle through every flux many times per day for hours.

Done ADL religiously every week with JP LS low man groups. Odin, limbus, salvage.

And still I took the time out to continue soloing bosses in Abby to continue keeping up my skills.

You cannot blame or judge my experience and knowledge based on not playing an event long enough. Unless its a boss that I can solo by myself and haven't won yet.

[AJ666]

And you are automatically assuming I "never" done the event and that's why you are still going on judging me after every reply.

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Who knew a server merge post would turn into a pissing match....

Well I agree with the guy i quoted, and fully back him up.

[FrankReynolds]

And you are automatically assuming I "never" done the event and that's why you are still going on judging me after every reply.

Why would I comment on something I "never" done? Then again 11 years of experience playing the event 1 time is enough to understand how the event works.

No, 1 time isn't enough. Everything you said in the other thread pointed towards a lack of basic knowledge about the event. It took some of the best players with some of the best hacks and some of the best gear considerably longer than one run to figure the event out and there are still some unknowns. Nice try.

Boss fight, has set conditions. Requires certain strategy. Requires the basic formula of tank, Damage dealers, buffers, debuffers, healers.

Meaning find the right amount of people and the right jobs.

Does it have a set timer or infinite time to kill it?

Win or lose

Result? Items drop or no drop from failure.

Same concept every event.

Great. Thank you for pointing out all those things that can be different in each event. It really drives home the point that you don't know what you are talking about in regards to the ones you have no experience with.

What adjustment could the DEV TEAM possibly make that would be impossible for me to figure out and defeat the objective is what I want to know.

Probably lots of things. How many times did you beat AV before the level cap increase?

You guys talk as if every single player and server is suffering the same experience and then call me out as if my word has no value just because I stopped playing an event I already did.

It does have no value. Case and point: You are in the wrong thread to discuss this. Go back there.

Some claim it took them 10-27 hours. Did they have enough people? The right jobs? What time of day did the event happen? When servers were slow? JP peak time?

It doesn't matter. If it sucks it sucks. Telling people it doesn't suck won't change their mind. They don't like it in it's current state and they pay the bills.

So just because you still play the event I need to be there to to understand how the event works?

No, you need to mind your business. Do you know why you aren't allowed to vote in elections in other countries? Because you don't know wtf your talking about and you have no business trying to dictate how they live. Sure, you could over generalize like you do in this thread and say "well I've been able to vote for 11 years and all countries have humans with arms and legs and heads, so what else is there to know? Me for president!", but you would still be wrong. Same concept applies here and well pretty much everywhere else in life. Consider this a free life lesson.

How many times do I need to fight WR bosses to be considered up to your level in knowledge?

Enough to realize that you have wasted your time and it sucks.

How does it work now that FFXIV was released?? Therefore your almighty knowledge is far more superior than mine still?

I don't have a clue what you mean by this, but it sounds like a compliment. Thanks

When I knew already this would happen. I observe stock market to know that you don't base your judgements on hype and can do perfectly fine by looking at the charts if you are experienced enough to know how it works. And you can fairly predict the outcome of certain events.

People thought apple shares would go up after announcing the iphone 5C and 5s. Charts showed before the announcement it wasn't going anywhere. Then stops fell after the disappointment. Watching the company for several years tells the story.

Who thought it would go up? Historically, It drops after every announcement. Why are we talking stocks now? Are you drunk?

Mr computer programmer. How many times does it take for you to format and reinstall windows to know how it works if a new version of windows comes out?

Do you need to install a million times more to know its the same concept??

Maybe. What kind of installation? Is there a custom image server? is it being installed in a VM? Does it need to be installed from an image with custom drivers and applications? How are you installing it? From a windows disk? PXE? A thumb drive? Will it be on a raid array? Do you have your raid drivers handy?

Yeah, probably a million times.

That's like telling a computer IT who went to collage, earned a bachelor, a masters degree to learn something a high school student can learn and tell that person they don't know what they are talking about all because they only did it once and its not enough regardless of how smart you are or how much experience you have, 1 time is not enough to know the process of installing windows on a computer.

It isn't enough. The guy who was my manager before I took over had a BA, MCSE, MCITP Comptia A++, Net++ and a slew of other certs and he still ran into crap he didn't know and had me look it up all the time. That is why I now have his job. He knew a lot of stuff that didn't apply to what we needed to do and I learned the stuff we did need faster.

Do I need to be a genius to read over discussions of how others beat and won a boss? After doing this for every boss for many years I'm sure by now I know how to read, what jobs to hire, and win.

Just about everything in life has been documented on the internet these days. Most people are smart enough to know that simply reading about them in a forum does not make them an expert of give them the right to dictate what is good / bad in said fields.

But this doesn't help me if the members in the group are not able to follow. You speak as if you know more than me as if you killed the boss alone and never depended on the other people in your group to help you.

So the problem isn't that the event is botched, the problem is the people yeah? Okay, so should we change the game to match the players? Or just cancel all the subs and get new players to match the game?

I've played every single boss in WoE, won to the point I made and led WoE parties, had enough people to cycle through every flux many times per day for hours.

Done ADL religiously every week with JP LS low man groups. Odin, limbus, salvage.

And still I took the time out to continue soloing bosses in Abby to continue keeping up my skills.

You cannot blame or judge my experience and knowledge based on not playing an event long enough. Unless its a boss that I can solo by myself and haven't won yet.

Yes I can.


This is wildly off topic. If you want to reply to this, please copy / paste it into the correct thread.

[Daemon]

Voidwatch... Same proc system as Abyssea. Dyna has the same concept.

Does it really mean I need to play all of them a million times to learn that its the same concept?

Nyzul, NNI, Delve, Salvage, Limbus, Einherjar, Meebles. Based on time limit. Same concept different conditions. Do I really need to play these a million times to know this concept is based on time???

Answer that for me please.

Until you've spammed every single boss in all 15 conflux 8-16 hours a day leading the events everyday then come back and tell me if I need more experience and knowledge to understand WR.

Especially if I've already played it once to know that its unfinished,
Needs adjustments and that bothering with it after a new expansion release would be pointless until the DEV TEAM implements everything according to their vision which is obvious when DEVs start slacking off and stop adding things.

Seeing this after every expansion throughout 11 years of playing FFXI. I've seen it enough times to know what I'm doing.

But you wouldn't know that because you are playing for the moment and not willing to be patient and wait it out to see the finished product.

Instead of waiting until all the rewards and quests are implemented you'd rather waste 10 hours a day doing an unfinished event and complain how miserable you are because its lacking.

And I'm just sitting here waiting and analyzing the pain you are going through trying to comfort players like yourself but rather than see that you'd rather call me out on things and argue the problem making things worse playing war of words of "who knows better."

You would rather stay on the problem than figure out how to defeat the problem and move forward. That should be enough to tell you what kind of player I am.

As for the stocks example. Don't base your judgement at the moment (as in hype) but look at the overall situation of how events work. That analyzing how SE has implemented things in the past allows the ability to predict how events are made.

Meaning look at the overall big picture than base judgement from your side of the glass.

Was VW perfect at the beginning or lacking? Did they not add things and build on top of that?

Implementing content is like writing a book. You put down the main idea, build on top of it. Proof read, edit, double check it, then print.

The difference though is that books can but thrown out finished without making adjustments. Since MMORPG is a live crowd 24/7 interest of a player can change at any given moment. Which is why DEVS would have to continue making adjustments overtime unless they decide to just kill it and move on.

Otherwise they will have to adjust everything all the time.

What you feel at this very moment I heard you already since the beginning. But regardless of what you feel and adjustment becomes made will never stay permanent forever.

Its why I said the example about REM. If SE adjusted REM "BEFORE" SoA vision is complete. They might wasted time only for REM to become irrelevant again 1 month later. Then how was the problem solved?

[Daemon]

As for the OP this may not seem like all of this discussion is on topic but it infact does have an impact on the server population. You are just taking a look at hardcore details as to how we think the game is which ties down to overall interest in why we play. People want to ignore the fact that there are players like me who play FFXI.

I know I give a hard time with my debates but community reps, DEV team only know the point of view of players who exist on the forums. Not the overall actual feelings of every player on the servers.

There are many people i know who think the same as me and agree with me when I bring up these discussions in LS but don't participate in the forums and its us who gets screwed when adjustments are made to benefit a certain group of people who share the same interest as each other and not the same interest as the group of people like me.

This is why I gave the example of WoE and the aftermath of how the event turned out.

I find it highly insulting that people play ignorant and act as if players like me don't exist.

People like me do exist. You just haven't heard their side because they never come to the forums and share it.

Our opinion should matter just as much as yours.

As for server merge, these arguments should tell you how people from different servers think differently.

One persons judgement might be based on a server with 200-500 people which in reality would be hard to enjoy the game while another persons judgement could be based on playing a server with 1,500-2k which changes the overal experience of how a person plays the game.

[Daemon]

It took some of the best players with some of the best hacks and some of the best gear considerably longer than one run to figure the event out and there are still some unknowns. Nice try.

Ok now I can stop taking you seriously. Best players DON'T USE HACKS!

This tells me what kind of experienced player I am arguing with.

Nice try though, really.

Anyone who thinks you need a hack to win is not considered a best player in my book.

[nyheen]

Voidwatch... Same proc system as Abyssea. Dyna has the same concept.

Does it really mean I need to play all of them a million times to learn that its the same concept?

way off. done abyssea, dyna many many times and trying VW proc.. i still dont understand well.

now back to "can we haz a merge"?!

[FrankReynolds]

Ok now I can stop taking you seriously. Best players DON'T USE HACKS!

This tells me what kind of experienced player I am arguing with.

Nice try though, really.

Anyone who thinks you need a hack to win is not considered a best player in my book.

I'm not going to give you anymore logical responses to the subject while you post in this thread. Figure out how to copy / paste into the correct forum, or enjoy the oncoming stream of nonsensical responses, memes and off hand insults. You know where to post. You know I will respond in kind. Stop crapping up this thread.