Can we haz a merge

[Daemon]

seeing as you aren't even on my server you have no frame of reference here jackass. I've been playing since 04 and I know how to play each of my 99 jobs, because most of them I leveled to 75 the real way back in the day when skilled players played. Now everywhere you go you just run into undergeared idiots that don't even know what half of their job abilities even do or how to use them.

People have it backwards here. They think old school players dunno what skill is because experience doesn't matter and because the game is "different" today than it use to be.

You can have 11 years of experience and everyone will dawg you for taking a month off and tell you off as if you need a phd to know what your talking about.

It's funny because I know exactly what you are talking about. Back in the day when we had to actually learn how to use all skills and had hours in exp parties to work as a team and listen to each other.

We never had to group 18 people to kill a level 15 skeleton and we actually had to farm Gil and choose wisely what gear to buy because it took so long to earn it.

And even if you spent over 8 hours a day practicing solo macros swapping, reflex, spell casting, kiting, dodging, and all other things on a level 80 boss. You are considered here as inadequate and under skilled and experience and practice has no meaning.

[Thorbean]

Well done addressing one thing I called you out on,(p.s. use better wording, when one reads "you have to be level 30+ in game to use the forums." they might think you can't even access it) now address the other things I've mentioned.

Best thing you can do is:


I no longer risk losing IQ points trying to find an actual point in his posts other than "Pay attention to me." Any thread page he is a part of, no longer looks like a 300 page novel with 99% descriptive text and I no longer feel like I'm reading his personal biography when I decide to browse a topic.

The only problem is, if someone quotes him, I have 30 seconds of unbridled fury welling up inside of me when I accidentally read his nonsensical, uneducated, under-researched garbage. The number of dead kittens scattered outside my house is getting into the hundreds due to this. There's no point asking him to address something you wrote, because he didn't even bother reading what you posted. He skimmed it until he disagreed with you, then went on a rant. The most you can expect is 10 paragraphs on his personal life.

[Daemon]

Best thing you can do is:


I no longer risk losing IQ points trying to find an actual point in his posts other than "Pay attention to me." Any thread page he is a part of, no longer looks like a 300 page novel with 99% descriptive text and I no longer feel like I'm reading his personal biography when I decide to browse a topic.

The only problem is, if someone quotes him, I have 30 seconds of unbridled fury welling up inside of me when I accidentally read his nonsensical, uneducated, under-researched garbage. The number of dead kittens scattered outside my house is getting into the hundreds due to this. There's no point asking him to address something you wrote, because he didn't even bother reading what you posted. He skimmed it until he disagreed with you, then went on a rant. The most you can expect is 10 paragraphs on his personal life.

And this is the kind of people we have in our community. Sorry but I don't need to bring myself to your level.

Which is quite low.

[Demon6324236]

seeing as you aren't even on my server you have no frame of reference here jackass. I've been playing since 04 and I know how to play each of my 99 jobs, because most of them I leveled to 75 the real way back in the day when skilled players played. Now everywhere you go you just run into undergeared idiots that don't even know what half of their job abilities even do or how to use them.

Yay, you played a long time, and you leveled up your jobs in a slow, boring, and repetitive way, I forgot how that made you better at the game or how it gives you the right to talk down to others. I have only played for 4 or so years and yet I am better than quite a few people I know who played since the beginning & CoP days, I leveled more than half my jobs in Abyssea but thanks to the fact I'm not stupid, I could learn how to play them after leveling them & understand things just the same when having access to everything the job is capable of.

How about instead of making the blanket statement of idiocy that Abyssea somehow ruined the game by making people level faster, you try to actually assist those people who you think are 'unskilled tards' and make them better players? Oh no, wait, no one actually does that, instead they try to claim everyone sucks because of an add-on in the game rather than admitting the fact that the players of the game cant be bothered to actually help one another improve anymore.

[Daemon]

Yay, you played a long time, and you leveled up your jobs in a slow, boring, and repetitive way, I forgot how that made you better at the game or how it gives you the right to talk down to others. I have only played for 4 or so years and yet I am better than quite a few people I know who played since the beginning & CoP days, I leveled more than half my jobs in Abyssea but thanks to the fact I'm not stupid, I could learn how to play them after leveling them & understand things just the same when having access to everything the job is capable of.

How about instead of making the blanket statement of idiocy that Abyssea somehow ruined the game by making people level faster, you try to actually assist those people who you think are 'unskilled tards' and make them better players? Oh no, wait, no one actually does that, instead they try to claim everyone sucks because of an add-on in the game rather than admitting the fact that the players of the game cant be bothered to actually help one another improve anymore.

Yeah but DJ this is the problem with people here on the forums. His statement doesn't necessarily mean everyone sucks. It just means he sees more people these days lazy like (FC to 99 and clueless)

Which is why people argue and put me down all the time. They take my words or cut out pieces of a comment to criticize me for a part of a sentence that changes the entire context to their liking. Which is why I had to defend myself too many times.

It's like if I say: "I assumed you have to be 99."

And then they turn around and say you are spreading false information by saying "You have to be 99"

Then people generalize a comment and assume you are talking about everyone which leads to these back and forth war of words that turn into pointless 100 page debates.

And still to the very end they think you are the bad guy. Well yeah after people jump in halfway and don't actually read the previous comments. Building up others to hate you after your words were taken out of context.

Just because people only want to look at the glass from their angle instead of realizing others look at it from a different angle than you.

[Demon6324236]

I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly. Don't want to come off as an ass and be treated like an ass, then start out better, simple as that. He started an ass, so I will treat him as though he is an ass until shown otherwise.

As for you, I'm done arguing with you, you argue with everyone here, nearly no one agrees with you except Umichi so far as I have noticed which is one of the people I almost always disagree with in terms of what should be done because he often acts as though SE is infallible. In all honesty your getting to that point too, except you don't act like they can do nothing wrong, you act like they do things wrong and deserve an eternity to fix it all, which isn't much better.

[Daemon]

I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly. Don't want to come off as an ass and be treated like an ass, then start out better, simple as that. He started an ass, so I will treat him as though he is an ass until shown otherwise.

As for you, I'm done arguing with you, you argue with everyone here, nearly no one agrees with you except Umichi so far as I have noticed which is one of the people I almost always disagree with in terms of what should be done because he often acts as though SE is infallible. In all honesty your getting to that point too, except you don't act like they can do nothing wrong, you act like they do things wrong and deserve an eternity to fix it all, which isn't much better.

People will always judge others regardless. Except the way I see it, I've been defending myself the entire time only to have more people jump on hate with the rest of the people judging.

Which is the same as bullying. Seriously? Read my comments. People are too busy jumping in midway only to side with people like yourself.

Up until this point I have not disrespected you. And I have shown people here that I respect them until they disrespect me.

It gets to the point that once a person starts hating 1 person, more people start to agree with the hater and join until they destroy the person who is defending themselves.

At this point, I don't tolerate that. You can hate all you want but I'm not going to sit here and let people destroy me. I didn't come to the forums for that. You people can convince more people to jump in and hate all you want but you are only showing everyone what kind of community North America really is.

I don't care if the same people hitting the like button to every comment you make continues to help you soak up your superiorness because its most likely the same exact people hitting the like button everytime which I'm pretty sure by now I know who those people are.

This game is not ruined by the DEV TEAM. It's ruined by bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people who have nothing better to do but play all day and take out their depressed suppressed stressed out anger on others and that's why I see too many people move on and go somewhere else.

As for people not backing me up? Those people probably left the forums long time ago.

[Demon6324236]

People will always judge others regardless. Except the way I see it, I've been defending myself the entire time only to have more people jump on hate with the rest of the people judging.

People judge based on what they see from you. If you come off as an arrogant person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off as a kind person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off acting as though you more than them while many things you say don't add up or check out with what's already known, people will call you out on it, and assume its part of who you are. Yes, people judge others, but based on what they already see of someone, as they say, first impressions are the most important, and its because everything you do at the start helps shape someone's opinion of who you are.

Which is the same as bullying. Seriously? Read my comments. People are too busy jumping in midway only to side with people like yourself.

Which is part of why I stopped posting in threads arguing against you unless I am certain of where the argument is. I am not about to waste my time reading 60 pages of a single thread in order to understand where an argument has been & gone, no, I'm not stupid enough to do it, hell with my memory I probably wouldn't remember half of what I even read by the time I caught up.

Up until this point I have not disrespected you. And I have shown people here that I respect them until they disrespect me.

Never said you did, I said he did, you are different people so far as I know, do not confuse what I said about different people.

It gets to the point that once a person starts hating 1 person, more people start to agree with the hater and join until they destroy the person who is defending themselves.

This is what happens when your opinion is the minority, not when people say 'Hey, someone is hating someone else, lets join in on it!', which is the case here, you defend SE, the majority have determined SE is not worthy of community defense and that their actions must be their defense. It is for that reason you find massive opposition on most topics, you praise that which we have determined is not worth such a thing. Now, you could say that people only agree with complaints at SE because its hating on SE, but then I guess no ones opinion would be valid if it disagrees with SE, because we either all hate SE, or we all hate people supporting SE, SE does no harm.

At this point, I don't tolerate that. You can hate all you want but I'm not going to sit here and let people destroy me. I didn't come to the forums for that. You people can convince more people to jump in and hate all you want but you are only showing everyone what kind of community North America really is.

Yes, its all us evil NA people, not opinions, and not you being on the minorities side of it all, agreed, we are just horrible bastards.

I don't care if the same people hitting the like button to every comment you make continues to help you soak up your superiorness because its most likely the same exact people hitting the like button every time which I'm pretty sure by now I know who those people are.

If you really think that matters one damn bit to most people here, that's sad, or at least if you think it matters to me, I'm here to share my views, and my views conflict with yours, in order to help you see 'the light' I argue my points against you, and in many cases you seem to show ignorance to other's arguments, which causes an actual argument that derails threads and causes issues.

This game is not ruined by the DEV TEAM. It's ruined by bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people who have nothing better to do but play all day and take out their depressed suppressed stressed out anger on others and that's why I see too many people move on and go somewhere else.

Yes, again, SE is infallible, they do no wrong, however, us evil people of the community are fucking it all up. No, in some cases I agree, forcing gear requirements on people, yeah, that's mostly players, but many... many other fucking things are on SE, not us, and yet you seem to ignore that and act as though the almighty people at SE are brought to tears because we are just assholes we just have to hate on everything and tell SE they suck because were all haters.

As for people not backing me up? Those people probably left the forums long time ago.

Maybe its because your opinion is unpopular.

[Daemon]

I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly.

Come off as arrogant? Then what does this comment come off as?

You assume everyone is arrogant the moment people say sonething you don't agree with. Then automatically judge someone based off 2 posts.

Whatever I say you will never agree even if I'm right. Continue on destroying people until they leave only to jump onto the next person.

These forums is like a lions den full of people hungry and ready to jump onto the next person.

And then you wonder why there is only so many people left. Honestly? It's not worth it to stay here. I'm ashamed and embarrassed to be part of this community.

[Daemon]

People judge based on what they see from you. If you come off as an arrogant person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off as a kind person, people assume that's who you are, if you come off acting as though you more than them while many things you say don't add up or check out with what's already known, people will call you out on it, and assume its part of who you are. Yes, people judge others, but based on what they already see of someone, as they say, first impressions are the most important, and its because everything you do at the start helps shape someone's opinion of who you are.

Which is part of why I stopped posting in threads arguing against you unless I am certain of where the argument is. I am not about to waste my time reading 60 pages of a single thread in order to understand where an argument has been & gone, no, I'm not stupid enough to do it, hell with my memory I probably wouldn't remember half of what I even read by the time I caught up.

Never said you did, I said he did, you are different people so far as I know, do not confuse what I said about different people.

This is what happens when your opinion is the minority, not when people say 'Hey, someone is hating someone else, lets join in on it!', which is the case here, you defend SE, the majority have determined SE is not worthy of community defense and that their actions must be their defense. It is for that reason you find massive opposition on most topics, you praise that which we have determined is not worth such a thing. Now, you could say that people only agree with complaints at SE because its hating on SE, but then I guess no ones opinion would be valid if it disagrees with SE, because we either all hate SE, or we all hate people supporting SE, SE does no harm.

Yes, its all us evil NA people, not opinions, and not you being on the minorities side of it all, agreed, we are just horrible bastards.

If you really think that matters one damn bit to most people here, that's sad, or at least if you think it matters to me, I'm here to share my views, and my views conflict with yours, in order to help you see 'the light' I argue my points against you, and in many cases you seem to show ignorance to other's arguments, which causes an actual argument that derails threads and causes issues.

Yes, again, SE is infallible, they do no wrong, however, us evil people of the community are fucking it all up. No, in some cases I agree, forcing gear requirements on people, yeah, that's mostly players, but many... many other fucking things are on SE, not us, and yet you seem to ignore that and act as though the almighty people at SE are brought to tears because we are just assholes we just have to hate on everything and tell SE they suck because were all haters.

Maybe its because your opinion is unpopular.

You see this is exactly what I'm talking about. Read your own words. I don't have to prove anyone anything.

You already set the example for yourself. This reply alone shows how judgmental you are. Assuming the worst as if you think you know what kind of person I am.

Then people who don't see the entire conversation read this and see the other bitter people who agreed with you automatically assume you are right.

This is what I mean by bullying, taking words out of context to ones liking and then judging the person.

"Maybe you are this, its because you did that, because you do this and this and that and that."

If you were not so busy judging then people wouldn't be thinking I'm the person you made me out to be to begin with.

Here look at this again.

I read every post he has ever posted on this forum, all 2 of them, and from every post I have read he is an arrogant douche who thinks he's better than others because of a longer play time and the fact others leveled up their jobs quickly.

You make the person out to be this and eventually everyone turns against them believing you.

Hatred attracts hatred and because you are so popular people can't defend themselves. Wolves ready to devour anyone.

This is probably why people watching our conversations don't intervene. For 1 person who steps up to agree with me, you and the others will jump on them too only for them to go through the same thing as me.

Taking words out of context?

Yes, its all us evil NA people, not opinions, and not you being on the minorities side of it all, agreed, we are just horrible bastards.

You took my comment and automatically assumed I'm talking about ALL NA PLAYERS.

Then people read your comment and assume you are right and I'm some horrible person.

I said:

This game is not ruined by the DEV TEAM. It's ruined by bitter, nasty, unsatisfied, disrespectful, judgmental, mean, rude people who have nothing better to do but play all day and take out their depressed suppressed stressed out anger on others and that's why I see too many people move on and go somewhere else.

Where does it say ALL YOU NA PLAYERS?
Where does it say ALL YOU NA PLAYERS?
Where does it say ALL YOU NA PLAYERS?

And this is why people assume I'm some horrible person because after every reply, you guys over exaggerate my words, take them out of context and rephrase them, and make me out to be someone I'm not.

And then people like Thorbean jump in and make me into something even more worse than the start.

That's all I see in most comments, complaints, anger, bitterness, hatred, disgust, putting others down to give you an instant moment of pleasure because 5-6 people hit your "like" button.

Now go back and read all my replies carefully and then look at others replying to my comments and see how horrible people made me out to be.

"Oh you think you are right and no one is right! Oh you think you are this, or that!!!! You are this and this and that and that!!"

Ok, if you say so.

If that's the person you want me to be and everyone to believe I am that way, what can I do?