Final fantasy 14 broke a record for a japan mmo. Might effect ffxi. Player base?.

[Demon6324236]

If your saying 3 out of every 10 people are quitting on average for people you know, which is how I took it to begin with, then I would say that's a fairly large hit. Factor in the money loss from that 30% and SE will probably spend even less money on maintaining this game, after all, we already seem to have a small team working on it, less income from the game only serves to cut the team down some more, most likely to pull them to FFXIV even. Also, if 30% of the people out of the player base were to play both, I can only assume it will at some point end, and a single game will be chosen by them, I know very few people who play 2 different MMOs, almost everyone I know plays a single MMO, that's it, if they want to play another they might do 2 for a short time to give it a sort of trial run, but then they pick one and move on.

I understand you are talking about people you know, not necessarily the general population of the game, but the fact remains the same. If enough people quit, less money will be put here so long as FFXIV is a success, if that happens, updates will slow down, people will get annoyed and mad, and more people will quit, the cycle will repeat. This cycle is in a way already in effect, but at a much slower rate, and depending on if FFXIV is a success or failure will depend on how much money this game continues to get I think. In the end, large effect on this game, no matter how you look at it, not end of the world type effect, but enough of an effect I think the game will be hurt by it no matter how it goes, FFXIV loses SE money, company cant afford as much, FFXIV gets SE money, they divert more power to FFXIV in order to keep it up with its players and draw more people in. This game does not have a growing player base, never really will anymore, so putting more money in here will not turn a profit, same people will play, at this point, its just a matter of keeping us here or moving us to FFXIV, either one gives them the same money.



Oh, and by the way, Ill say it again, you can list off all these other MMOs which were supposed to hurt FFXI, but again, does not have Final Fantasy in its title, that does make a large impact for many people believe it or not. As I said, I am sure many people started this game because of it being Final Fantasy, I am sure many people got the original FFXIV because of it being Final Fantasy, and I doubt FFXIV:ARR will be any different in that respect. The only exception it has is a bad history, and something the others did not, but at the same time, its as much a curse as it is a bonus, if a company revamps an entire MMO to make a brand new version of the game, they are either extremely stupid and going to going to crash, or they are going to put all they can into the revamp and make the game work. Either way, the Final Fantasy title alone will buy it a second chance in the hearts of many FF fans I think, which is something no other game can say except this one when it comes to MMOs.

[svengalis]

You guys shouldn't let the success of XIV affect your XI experience. Just enjoy the game for what it is right now.

[Stompa]

Here we go again... how many times will I have to put onmy tinfoil hat?FFXI is not going anywhere.. less people means they will structure the game around fewer players.. It might make a minor impact on the game if that.. but in the long run XI is still a profit machine...

Ffxi will continue under the Classic Games / Nostalgia Gaming bracket even when your great-grandkids are running around but it will be monoserver / game-club type of thing. But it will never die, classics live forever in all genres, and I can't think of a more classic game than Ffxi.

[FrankReynolds]

Ffxi will continue under the Classic Games / Nostalgia Gaming bracket even when your great-grandkids are running around but it will be monoserver / game-club type of thing. But it will never die, classics live forever in all genres, and I can't think of a more classic game than Ffxi.

Nah, one day SE will randomly announce that they are no longer accepting anything but gold nuggets as payment and that you have pay in person at a truck stop in okinawa. People will desperately try to pay them, but SE only has 2 customer service reps. SE will keep the servers up indefinitely, but no one will be able to access them accept those guys from that "Glory hole" reality show.

[Stompa]

Nah, one day SE will randomly announce that they are no longer accepting anything but gold nuggets as payment and that you have pay in person at a truck stop in okinawa. People will desperately try to pay them, but SE only has 2 customer service reps. SE will keep the servers up indefinitely, but no one will be able to access them accept those guys from that "Glory hole" reality show.

I think you underestimate the power of Nostalgia Gaming in Japan, and the huge "Retro Culture" in Japan which applies to music and movies too. A lot of my JP friends don't play any games except FFxi, its like a Cult, and the older it gets, the more Retro Classic it becomes, it is a an unstoppable snowball effect of Classicdom.
But yes the days of mass-servers and large playerbase are over, no question. But what you have to remember is that Vanadiel is huge already, it is a fully-formed world, it doesn't need constant expansions to keep it running as a niche-game for fans. If SE have another mainstream mega-success game in the future, a tiny fraction of that money would be enough to keep FFxi running on skeleton-mode. I don't see it dying in my lifetime at least, I just see it becoming a single-server niche game eventually. But of course nobody knows the future, I'm just speculating.

[Zeargi]

Not gonna lie, After playing 14, I'm excited to play it. But the thing that makes me sad is that while I played it, I realized how much I miss playing with my Playstation Controller

[Earwig]

With the way things are now, How could anyone return to ffXI in 3 months? New adoulin gear will be added, and stuff will likely mean that returning players will be far behind in gear, and will be unable to get into events.

Also, the only games that ffXIV should be compared to are WoW and FFXI. Blizzard and Square Enix are the only developers that can create MMOs on their own budgets. Every other developer has to depend on investors, and when their investors can't get their money back, they switch to F2P. Switching to F2P will remove the monthly subscription fees, but will also introduce a pay-to-win system, which makes large amounts of money extremely fast. Square Enix will not have this kind of pressure because there are no investors to pay off. FFXIV will continue to receive quality updates that will keep the game alive for a very long time.

That being said, I think any population decreases in ffXI won't really matter. They can always perform server merges if people have too much trouble finding events.

[Demon6324236]

That being said, I think any population decreases in ffXI won't really matter. They can always perform server merges if people have too much trouble finding events.

While its true that the size of the server population will not matter much because of merges, the profit made from the game will go down if people quit, that will effect SE's investment of money into the game I'm sure, which effects the size of the development team, which effects our updates. Less updates will make people leave as well, which creates the spiral of death for the game.
Step A: Players quit.
Step B: FFXI makes less money.
Step C: The money spent to improve FFXI goes down.
Step D: The updates get smaller and it takes more time for things to get done.
Step E: Repeat.

This cycle always exists, its just becoming accelerated right now because SoA already drove a lot of people away with its content and now FFXIV is coming up. I expect server merges will become more frequent because of it, so it might not seem like the population is dropping as much and events will still be possible, but it still effects us all.

[Daemon]

Don't count on it, you avoid the game like it's the plague, that's cool, but don't trash it because you don't like it. People will like it, you can't control that by constantly bringing it down. I used to be just like you, I hated abyssea, I hated XIV, but now look at my stance on Abyssea: I love it now. Anything short of the same reason for FFXIV is bogus, because in XIV your character is more than just a character than what it is in XI. You can legitimately create your character to your liking instead of "Ok pick face...4 and...hair A" now you're picking their skin tone, eye colors (Yes I said colors, meaning heterochromia), height, hair color, etc. Not only that but the environment that XIV is in put me in a much more 'healthy' environment than the pseudo-cold war that XI is in, and people were just much more friendlier.

People flock to a game with a friendly community, can you legitimately say XI's community is friendly? No, it is not sadly, I truly wish it was but every server that I've seen people are only interested in helping -if- they get something out of it in return, otherwise people won't even look at you. I met a great friend who's helped me through my limit breaks (Despite having to solo the first one) but every time I ask for help with things that are trivial to a single lvl 99 player, no one will ever volunteer to help. XIV I didn't have that problem, so you mean to tell me that "People are just gonna come back, cya in xyz amount of time"? Are you serious? Why would I wanna come back to a game that's nothing but a giant headache to me both with the content and the community, when XIV is offering brand new stuff that is new player friendly and I have the community to play with and enjoy this content instead of hunting solo for toy weapons in CoP, RotZ, and ToAU? I can tell you I'd rather go play with friends, and when my desktop gets fixed you won't be seeing me anywhere around here anymore

Exactly! And it shows even more on the forums when people trash others. The way the game mechanics forcing people to depend on others to get things done is the problem because either everyone else has things they need to do, or plain lazy after getting things done and don't feel like going back to old content to help others.

Although I think its good to help people, I mean sooner of later they are going to catch up and start joining parties with you, if they don't quit first..

[Helel]

Those numbers are meaningless, especially if lolPSO2 held the record previously. Give me a break.