Have people let go of the "Gjallahorn/Daurdabla only" BRD demand for Delve yet?

[detlef]

That's what the job is used for, I'm not forcing you to bring one if you don't need one.

[Demon6324236]

Why would you need to pull, hold anything? Super buffed melees just melt the trash mobs when doing the 5 NMs, just kill all the trash mobs in your path. The only thing that needs to be saced is the boss. Which the SCH party Bard does because the only thing he has to do is march the 2 sch.

Taking a PLD just wastes a spot and has almost no use.

I don't think the statement was only for Boss runs, but PLD in general. In all honesty the only exception to that is that WKs do need a PLD to tank them, that's it though.

[OmnysValefor]

I don't think the statement was only for Boss runs, but PLD in general. In all honesty the only exception to that is that WKs do need a PLD to tank them, that's it though.

As a pld who pulls, holds, and sacs. My feels ; ;.

But yeah, it is the truth.

Oh wait, don't forget, I'm awesome for when we're gathering outside delve and someone magic agros an Umbril. That's 3 Things! Comin' back, baby!

(Atonement-cap does twice the normal damage to Umbrils, 1500, and when it takes nada from every other ws I've seen, that's pretty gewd)

[Siviard]

I don't have Gjallarhorn nor Daurdalba, which is fine according to a LS I do occasional runs with. But if you don't have BRD AF3 +2 hands, GTFO!

Seriously?

[doctorugh]

Really you could eliminate both CORs with one DNC and get the same (or better result). A lucky on chaos is 25% att bonus which translates to a bit less than +25% damage when you factor in food and zerk which are additive affects. On the other hand, DNC contributes -13% def down (also which is not removed by Kurma), which when you factor angon with hands (-25%), Dia2 +light shot (-15%) and geo (-13%) you essentially gain 32.5% more damage. (53% def worked down to 40% def. In addition its another melee (albeit not a super strong one, but could stay around where the DRG would be for damage), as well as a nice frontline healer (see divine waltz2). I've tried explaining this to leaders before, but they ask me to come COR anyway <<. Mostly people don't like venturing into the unknown even if the theory/math is sound.

Edit: Also haste samba when brds not using 2hr gives a strong boost

[Danita]

(Atonement-cap does twice the normal damage to Umbrils, 1500, and when it takes nada from every other ws I've seen, that's pretty gewd)

Apologies, as I'm also a person who would enjoy PLD if it were useful, but Shijin Spiral with Oatixurs can rip over 3k on WS vs Umbrils (2k being a weak one), doesn't require enmity, debuffs the monster, and is used on the job that can also just Formless Strikes for 5 minutes when called for. PLD is a wasted slot both in Delve and out.

[Daemon]

Twisting words won't get you very far here. Non-elite Bards who are good at their jobs should absolutely not be shut out of events simply because they don't have the time, patience, or desire for building 2 instruments, especially since it's not nearly as easy to build one of them in Abyssea as it was when it was the only game in town. But that's the mindset of elitists, again: Expect people to have top-of-the-line items and simultaneously expect them to do it without help.

Actually no I'm not twisting words and I'm not disagreeing with you about skilled bards. For something like Delve plasm farming I understand gear is not really important to have top of the line.

Maybe things like Tojil would be expected only because group leaders will take the blame for not inviting the proper jobs that bring failure which would waste everyone's time.

I just think making excuses not to be ready can only carry a person so far and by the time anyone reaches to the point of doing THE END GAME events should feel embarassed for showing up expecting to get by on mediocre gear. Because whose to say that person didn't FC to 99 and put in the proper time and care to be ready like the rest of the people doing the event.

Which I fail to see how its being elitist that 17 other people can be ready and the person showing up without the basics wonders why they can't participate

That's like saying "You are a judgmental elitist prick because I didn't put in endless hours doing quests and missions like you to be at your level and rather than invite me to play I'm pissed off that you expect me to go back and waste my time and do these boring quests before you invite me."

At least that's how I see it when people refer to us as elitist.

Then again its also who you know that can get you invites.

Nothing against you but I just think people are too quick to point others out and call someone an elitist without knowing the reasons behind why they expect you to be prepared.

[OmnysValefor]

Apologies, as I'm also a person who would enjoy PLD if it were useful, but Shijin Spiral with Oatixurs can rip over 3k on WS vs Umbrils (2k being a weak one), doesn't require enmity, debuffs the monster, and is used on the job that can also just Formless Strikes for 5 minutes when called for. PLD is a wasted slot both in Delve and out.

I was being sarcastic, and okay^^. Just most ws's seem to do very meh damage on them.

To say it's a wasted spot is impractical though. Some strategies use them, some don't. Another DD could hold NMs, not as easily as I can, or they can wreck fodder, sac them, or a bard could drop party, sleep them, and then log.

But yeah, I wish PLD were an actual tank again (and nin! and run! Remember all the great times tanking on Run!)

[OmnysValefor]

I just think making excuses not to be ready can only carry a person so far and by the time anyone reaches to the point of doing THE END GAME events should feel embarassed for showing up expecting to get by on mediocre gear. Because whose to say that person didn't FC to 99 and put in the proper time and care to be ready like the rest of the people doing the event.

I don't know about embarrassed, but I agree with everything you said and in regard to high-end content: Although megabosses are in a weird spot. They are the highest end content, even though the ilvl changes made them hugely easier.

It is, after all, a game, and a person shouldn't be shamed for merely trying to have fun (Feeling embarrassed = self-imposed shame). Some players, when they encounter this wall feel challenged and try to make themselves better. Others rail at the elitism. In my opinion, if I want to play with the best players, I need to put my job together the best that I can.

[Daemon]

I don't know about embarrassed, but I agree with everything you said and in regard to high-end content: Although megabosses are in a weird spot. They are the highest end content, even though the ilvl changes made them hugely easier.

It is, after all, a game, and a person shouldn't be shamed for merely trying to have fun (Feeling embarrassed = self-imposed shame). Some players, when they encounter this wall feel challenged and try to make themselves better. Others rail at the elitism. In my opinion, if I want to play with the best players, I need to put my job together the best that I can.

Personally bard is not my main, and its not even geared properly but because we couldnt find no bards, i was asked by the leader in private to join gimped. No one else knew. he didnt care but others did after i joined.

It is embarrassing when you show up as a gimp bard or any job. I've done it. Songs wear off too fast. People asking where is your Emp harp? Don't have gear? No 3 songs? Why do we have this person to begin with. And all you can do is feel embarassed.

Which is if I was leading the group, I wouldn't care. As long as we have fun. But not everyone thinks that way because winning is what they play the event for.

I've seen people disband after 1 mistake because they predict there's no possible way to recover only to assume they'd be wasting time. And everyone has to be on point.

Tanking mata vs the amount of time vs other bosses before reaching Tojil. There's just not enough time to waste.

Biggest fear every party leader has is that. The fear of the entire group falling apart because you didn't set it up right.