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    Player hiko's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RushLynx View Post
    CORs (Quick Draw) and SMNs can consistently deal over 1k dmg to Yumcax, without Elemental Seal my BLM couldn't go over 100 dmg, with Elemental Seal I couldn't go over 550 dmg...
    WR mobs have DT affected by colo rate
    yorcia map is stupidly useless and nobody reive there=>low colo rate

    => your damage are lowered

    QD ignore DT=> they deal same dmg no matter col rate


    tldr:/cry I fight a mob that have -50~-75%dmg taken and get out damaged by some ja that ignore DT!
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    Player RushLynx's Avatar
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    Valflux
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    THF Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by hiko View Post
    WR mobs have DT affected by colo rate
    yorcia map is stupidly useless and nobody reive there=>low colo rate

    => your damage are lowered

    QD ignore DT=> they deal same dmg no matter col rate


    tldr:/cry I fight a mob that have -50~-75%dmg taken and get out damaged by some ja that ignore DT!
    You didn't address SMN's elemental BP consistently dealing 2-3x more damage than a BLM's nukes, and I know for a fact that QD damage can be resisted just like any other magic damage. You are the first person I've ever seen claim that QD ignores DT- effects.

    Colonization rate in this area was a little over 40% (41-42%) most of the fight. Let's say a teir 5 nuke usually does 3k damage, at 40% damage that's 1.2k... So try again, explain why those same nukes couldn't go over 100 dmg in actuality, and even with Elemental Seal the damage was still less than half of that. Is it MDB, that would be understandable but I think I have more than enough MAB to counteract it to the extent that a SMN could.

    My BLM's Unbuffed Stats:
    171 INT, 459 Elemental Magic Skill, +153 Magic Attack Bonus, +42 Magic Accuracy
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    Last edited by RushLynx; 08-03-2013 at 01:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RushLynx View Post
    You didn't address SMN's elemental BP consistently dealing 2-3x more damage than a BLM's nukes, and I know for a fact that QD damage can be resisted just like any other magic damage. You are the first person I've ever seen claim that QD ignores DT- effects.

    Colonization rate in this area was a little over 40% (41-42%) most of the fight. Let's say a teir 5 nuke usually does 3k damage, at 40% damage that's 1.2k... So try again, explain why those same nukes couldn't go over 100 dmg in actuality, and even with Elemental Seal the damage was still less than half of that. Is it MDB, that would be understandable but I think I have more than enough MAB to counteract it to the extent that a SMN could.

    My BLM's Unbuffed Stats:
    171 INT, 459 Elemental Magic Skill, +153 Magic Attack Bonus, +42 Magic Accuracy
    QD has always ignored DT so let's put QD aside for now. Yes it can resist but it has always proven to be inherently much more accurate. Probably partly in due to the fact there isn't alot of mab gear for it that doesn't also have agi/macc and some slots don't have any good mab gear so they just use macc/agi to improve it.

    As for smner it's hard to say without exact numbers but I can tell you personally that smn without the new equipment that bumps there lvl up to 113 they are doing double digit dmg too. Not alot of testing has been done on it but from general reports it seems to be doing alot

    So let's address what I can so far. I don't believe there has been any testing on yumcax or even really wkr in general to give an exact colo rate to -dt or -mdt so it might be more than -60%. The fact that you were getting almost 4X the dmg with elemental seal suggest your macc is actually really really bad for those mobs. Which makes sense considering it was designed at content lvl 115 and from the sounds of it you are using a bit less than that. Also what exact nukes were you using elemental seal? Also which blood pacts being used?

    In the end this isn't anything blm specific. QD has always been like this which is why cor is so wanted for these events. While it seems like smn is doing alot go to a 100% hurkan run and watch them do 4-5k bps and you will seem there dmg is being gimped here too it's just that ammo is pretty damn good. I often melee while I'm tanking and I pretty much never connect because it's evasion is so high. But when I do it's often single digit dmg. Everyones dmg (except qd) is super gimped with low colo rate just some are doing more to begin with and/or are more accurate to begin with
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    Last edited by dasva; 08-03-2013 at 09:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasva View Post
    Which makes sense considering it was designed at content lvl 115 and from the sounds of it you are using a bit less than that.
    I was RDM/SCH with Dark Arts up and nuking with this set but still did about as bad if not worse than Valflux was. My gear is comprised of a level 113 Staff, 109 Grip, 100 Hands & Legs, as well as a Delve Back piece which has no level on it. My gear should be more than enough to damage this NM reasonably, unless we are expected to have either A, a set just for this NM and its stupid high Magic EVA/MDB, or B, we are supposed to have the gear from this NM, the gear with a lot of Magic Acc & INT on it already, before we kill it, to get the gear it drops, which we need to kill it. If its A, that's stupid because we should not need to make special sets just for a single NM we will probably do only a few times, while other jobs do so much more with so much less, and if its B, then its chicken or the egg, a situation which should never arise in this game with these NMs...
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