Lower The Minimum Level Required To Enter Abyssea from 30-1

[Tsukino_Kaji]

most 75s are useless because of leeching...counterpoint invalid

The problem is that people are talking about heroes when they say abyssea which is a 90+ zone. If you took those 75s to a visions zone, they'd do just fine.

[Greatguardian]

most 75s are useless because of leeching...counterpoint invalid

The problem is that people are talking about heroes when they say abyssea which is a 90+ zone. If you took those 75s to a visions zone, they'd do just fine.

Both of these are so far from true I can't see them any more.

Defining a useless 75-90 in an exp scenario:

Do they have less than 2 Lunar Abyssites? If Yes, useless.
Do they have Razed Ruins and/or Minikin Monstrosity? If No, useless.
Are they wearing more than 2 pieces of Aurore/Teal/Perle armor? If Yes, useless.
Do they swap gear for their actions? If No, useless.
Do they have properly leveled magic and combat skills? If No, useless.
Do they have a weapon that isn't a piece of junk? If No, useless.
Do they cast haste on all melees (Mage-only)? If No, useless.
Are their Weaponskills doing under 2,000 damage average? If Yes, useless.
Are their Tier 5 nukes doing under 2,500 damage? If Yes, useless.
Do they complain about Ruby light? If Yes, probably useless.
Can any individual EXP mob kill them one-on-one? If Yes, useless.
Does it take them longer than 60 seconds to kill an individual EXP mob as the sole DD? If Yes, useless.
Are they a MNK using Asuran Fists, a DRG using Penta Thrust, or a WAR using King's Justice? If Yes, useless.

I could go on. I feel that list was being quite lenient, really.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Hey Sang scythe War > abyssea alliances, people are that terrible. Razed Ruins Mnk with footwork up spamming tornado kick ijdk why...

[Ramsos]

Both of these are so far from true I can't see them any more.

Defining a useless 75-90 in an exp scenario:

Do they have less than 2 Lunar Abyssites? If Yes, useless.
Do they have Razed Ruins and/or Minikin Monstrosity? If No, useless.
Are they wearing more than 2 pieces of Aurore/Teal/Perle armor? If Yes, useless.
Do they swap gear for their actions? If No, useless.
Do they have properly leveled magic and combat skills? If No, useless.
Do they have a weapon that isn't a piece of junk? If No, useless.
Do they cast haste on all melees (Mage-only)? If No, useless.
Are their Weaponskills doing under 2,000 damage average? If Yes, useless.
Are their Tier 5 nukes doing under 2,500 damage? If Yes, useless.
Do they complain about Ruby light? If Yes, probably useless.
Can any individual EXP mob kill them one-on-one? If Yes, useless.
Does it take them longer than 60 seconds to kill an individual EXP mob as the sole DD? If Yes, useless.
Are they a MNK using Asuran Fists, a DRG using Penta Thrust, or a WAR using King's Justice? If Yes, useless.

I could go on. I feel that list was being quite lenient, really.

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Also, you forgot to add "Being a paladin"

[magnius]

Both of these are so far from true I can't see them any more.

Defining a useless 75-90 in an exp scenario:

Are their Weaponskills doing under 2,000 damage average? If Yes, useless.

Are they a MNK using Asuran Fists, a DRG using Penta Thrust, or a WAR using King's Justice? If Yes, useless.

Hey! My 75(B. Haidate, Shura togi)MNK did less then 2000Asuran Fists(only 2 Atmas at the time)was pulling hate against Lv80-90s from when I engaged to end of a fight -- until people came with relic knuckles and Amano; ; Then yes, I was useless, but hey I was useful for at least 1level! Then I opened chests because mobs were dying before I engaged, and also because some Lv50 moron decided he didn't think he should waste his crour for opening chests because there were people who were AFK, but they were really mules of the real DDs.

[Greatguardian]

Hey! My 75(B. Haidate, Shura togi)MNK did less then 2000Asuran Fists(only 2 Atmas at the time)was pulling hate against Lv80-90s from when I engaged to end of a fight -- until people came with relic knuckles and Amano; ; Then yes, I was useless, but hey I was useful for at least 1level! Then I opened chests because mobs were dying before I engaged, and also because some Lv50 moron decided he didn't think he should waste his crour for opening chests because there were people who were AFK, but they were really mules of the real DDs.

I don't think Asuran can average over 2k in Abyssea anyways, thus why I mentioned it :P. Ascetic's Fury is a much better choice. I don't particularly mind people who are unable to contribute to the party. I simply wanted to clarify the difference between what each group considers a leech.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Both of these are so far from true I can't see them any more.

Defining a useless 75-90 in an exp scenario:

Do they have less than 2 Lunar Abyssites? If Yes, useless.
Do they have Razed Ruins and/or Minikin Monstrosity? If No, useless.
Are they wearing more than 2 pieces of Aurore/Teal/Perle armor? If Yes, useless.
Do they swap gear for their actions? If No, useless.
Do they have properly leveled magic and combat skills? If No, useless.
Do they have a weapon that isn't a piece of junk? If No, useless.
Do they cast haste on all melees (Mage-only)? If No, useless.
Are their Weaponskills doing under 2,000 damage average? If Yes, useless.
Are their Tier 5 nukes doing under 2,500 damage? If Yes, useless.
Do they complain about Ruby light? If Yes, probably useless.
Can any individual EXP mob kill them one-on-one? If Yes, useless.
Does it take them longer than 60 seconds to kill an individual EXP mob as the sole DD? If Yes, useless.
Are they a MNK using Asuran Fists, a DRG using Penta Thrust, or a WAR using King's Justice? If Yes, useless.

I could go on. I feel that list was being quite lenient, really.

oh please get over yourself.... everyone had to start in Abyssea at some point, you have to be trolling, because if your not, then you are really ignorant.

[Valefor4life]

Honestly I don't mind lvl 1 requirement. It beats getting dragged to astral flow tank for friends .

[magnius]

I don't think Asuran can average over 2k in Abyssea anyways, thus why I mentioned it :P. Ascetic's Fury is a much better choice. I don't particularly mind people who are unable to contribute to the party. I simply wanted to clarify the difference between what each group considers a leech.

Oh, you're so sneaky!
Yeah, I never did Ascetic's. Went from Asuran to Smite. It was more like -- I'll work on getting WoE coins while I work on getting Ascetic's but then I got all 30drops in 1day.

[Greatguardian]

oh please get over yourself.... everyone had to start in Abyssea at some point, you have to be trolling, because if your not, then you are really ignorant.

I'm not trolling at all.

If we're talking about someone's first level 75-90 job, of course they're going to be useless compared to everyone else. That is to be expected. I was useless when I first started Abyssea. I then went out and got things done so I would no longer be useless.

If we are talking about someone's second or subsequent 75+ job, they should have focused on getting basic Atmas and Abyssites before trying to level new jobs and taking up a slot in my party.

Either way, if you're not contributing in a meaningful way, you are *Leeching*. Period. I don't care if you're level 30 or level 90, if you've been playing for 5 weeks or 5 years. If you are unable to contribute at least that much to a group (and like I said, that list was VERY lenient), you ARE leeching.