Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

[Demon6324236]

So what you're saying is use Delve weapons to clear Legion so you have the gear to get Delve weapons?

Sounds like the circular logic I see all over our server, love how shouts for Delve are almost always for Delve weapon DDs only.

[Sparthos]

Funniest part is my PLD being a healthy lvl0.

But yes, for the record I have WHM and SCH at the ready though both are dedicated more to healing than a stungun/nuking setup. Perhaps after the nuking update I'll dedicate some time to preparing a proper nuking SCH if there is sufficient reason to do so.

I'd say GEO is also ready but it just isn't.

[Raksha]

I was more posting to show the daurdabla. Single handedly the most sought after mage job (if we consider daurdabla to be a job) of this expansion.

[Camiie]

You know why the gear treadmill works so well for WoW? You get the gear you need simply from leveling, and that gear you earned from leveling is good enough to get you the next tier of leveling gear or it can start you down the dungeon path. When the new expansion comes, even if you missed out on the dungeon/raid gear from the previous one, you can still earn the new leveling gear which will negate your need to get that previous expansion's dungeon/raid gear.

This is where SE's tier system falls apart. The closest equivalents we have to WoW's leveling gear comes from Curor and Bayld, and seemingly few players consider those acceptable replacements for the previous content's gear.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You know why the gear treadmill works so well for WoW? You get the gear you need simply from leveling, and that gear you earned from leveling is good enough to get you the next tier of leveling gear or it can start you down the dungeon path. When the new expansion comes, even if you missed out on the dungeon/raid gear from the previous one, you can still earn the new leveling gear which will negate your need to get that previous expansion's dungeon/raid gear.

This is where SE's tier system falls apart. The closest equivalents we have to WoW's leveling gear comes from Curor and Bayld, and seemingly few players consider those acceptable replacements for the previous content's gear.

Sounds exactly what SE did. New expansion comes out and completely negates the need for the previous.

[Demon6324236]

Sounds exactly what SE did. New expansion comes out and completely negates the need for the previous.

No, people full timing Karieyh or Mikinaak still suck, even if they just swap between Adoulin gear, they still suck, previous stuff from events like Abyssea, Nyzul, or Salvage, are still great and needed.

[Camiie]

They either should have gone all-in with obsoleting everything and making viable "starter" gear, or they should have just stuck to the sidegrades/minor upgrades philosophy and focused more on storyline and such.

[Xantavia]

Sounds exactly what SE did. New expansion comes out and completely negates the need for the previous.

And this is the problem some of us are having now. FFXI has a history of keeping old stuff relevent. To suddenly switch directions after ten years is just awkward. For all the complaints with the old system and balance, it kept people playing. To suddenly pull a 180 with everything we have come to expect is poor design IMO.

[Mahoro]

I think a fair amount of old stuff IS relevant, judging from the gearsets I see out there (armor, not weapons). The point some people seem to be making is that people "feel like" they can't do it or "don't want to,' no matter how lowman or easy the event becomes. And there isn't much that can be done to help that. After all, according to that rationale, if you just keep making X event easier, it won't matter. It's an attitude that originates with the player him- or herself, as is the wrongminded notion that one needs Delve weapons to farm plasm to GET Delve weapons.

[Daemon]

I think a fair amount of old stuff IS relevant, judging from the gearsets I see out there (armor, not weapons). The point some people seem to be making is that people "feel like" they can't do it or "don't want to,' no matter how lowman or easy the event becomes. And there isn't much that can be done to help that. After all, according to that rationale, if you just keep making X event easier, it won't matter. It's an attitude that originates with the player him- or herself, as is the wrongminded notion that one needs Delve weapons to farm plasm to GET Delve weapons.

The majority of my arguments between other people were based on exactly what you just said here. And this is why I thanked you before for seeing it.

To add on to what you already said.
The majority of people who simply say "you don't need that" are taking from their point of view of them knowing and having better gear than the other person who has no clue.. However Sometimes it takes gear to obtain gear. Whether you are wearing Abyssea Perle Set or AF3, the fact is you had to have a decent set of gear allowing you to obtain better pieces because if you just head straight into areas unprepared, Winning is much harder than succeeding. Which leads to failure, wasting valuable time. That was part of the intro to my guide on how certain gear can help you explore higher areas.

While its easy to look up gear sets other people posted on FFXIAH. Gear doesn't make the skill for you. Statistics and mechanics can prove better on paper,but many things can change the overall outcome of what was being proven. Like if you try to prove someone that building a house is better than building a roof yet the person who chooses to build a roof didn't need to build a house since the roof showed to be good enough for what was being accomplished.

Some gears can teach you things other gear doesn't. You might try a haste set but then try using a fast cast set thinking they do the same exact thing only to find out something new on why the pieces are different.

I tried to explain with the example of looking at a gear set on FFXAH tends to lead people to not pay attention to small details.

Someone suggestion using Owl Eyes for Idle Refresh but they totally left out 1 important detail that makes a huge difference.

OWLEYES

[Main] All Races
DPS: 608 DMG:22 Delay:217 Damage taken +10% Adds "Refresh" effect
LV 80 WHM BLM SMN SCH GEO

What's highlighted means, you will take 10% more damage from mobs when equipping this. Which in the case if you are Taru, or have low HP and decide you need MP but ignore this detail, you just put your life in even more danger for not paying attention.

But from laziness, to having no motivation over how to overcome certain obstacles through bad experiences, people tend to give up not because they didn't try, but because they lacked the proper knowledge of accomplishing their goals effectively. Which details were included in my guide.