Invitation to Plasm Farming

[Karah]

You don't use it, that's the way to use it.

It goes into your mogsafe, it collects dust, that's it's proper use.

If you spent less time curing in the wrong gear, you would spend less mp negating the need to mrkyr. Pretty simple logic, which was already explained to you.

It had one minor use, during Voidwatch, before we were told about /fume and you couldn't get the procs. change > wing > mrkyr. Even that was stretching it's usefulness.

If you're not curing, and/or stunning then you're a wasted slot in the alliance. People don't invite a scholar to get adloquium.

[Tamoa]

You have to admit advocating full timing hvergelmir is pretty stupid. That's what that was in regards too.

Honestly, I give anyone who even equips one shit when I see them, (disclaimer, I do own one).

Mine's town gear only - that's acceptable, right? @.@

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

You keep adding this to every post yet you keep replying. You do realize you're contradicting yourself, right?

And no, I don't feel particularly bad about "driving you to quit". If you cannot handle being criticized at all then you really should refrain from posting on the internet. Now, I don't know if you're a student or if you have a job - but what do you do if your teacher or another student tells you you are wrong and shows you why? Quit school? And if your boss or a co-worker tells you you are wrong or shows you how another solution is more efficient? Quit your job?

[Shirai]

And in case you are doing bosses where you run out of other MP recovery options wouldn't Icarus wing and Myrkr help "at the moment?"

No, for that the Vile elixirs are a great help, and if it happens that I am out of mine and need more we have our melee bring and bazaar them.
An icarus wing leaves you medicated for 2 hours, so for a meager 20% return of your mp it's not worth it.

And if you need several Viles to cope with MP consumption there's something else terribly amiss.

Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

Interesting, two pairs of gloves in one set, and still faaar from optimal.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/306862
Add in a pair of augmented Zentih pumps and voila, capped cure potency.
I'm sure people can make more optimal sets, but this is what I could come up with quickly with reasonably obtainable gear.

[Tamoa]

Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

That's not good enough with Regen V up? I mean I really need 50% for plasm farming?

You have talked about being mp efficient in the other thread that was locked. Don't you see how purposely having less than 50% cure potency is the exact opposite of being mp efficient?

By they way my team has been netting 9k plasm per run playing the build I chose to play without any issue.

More than anything that's going to be because the DDs aren't shit.

[Daemon]

You have talked about being mp efficient in the other thread that was locked. Don't you see how purposely having less than 50% cure potency is the exact opposite of being mp efficient?

In other threads I explained that "you have other options" on how to keep mp up or keep heal up. The job has the abilities no?? Some people criticized me for suggesting Rapture. Why do we even have the skill then?? If I can keep MP up regardless why is it a problem on wanting to enjoy the EMP staff I earned?? I never said I had a problem being effecient.

More than anything that's going to be because the DDs aren't shit.

Yeah ok. So Scholar absolutely makes no difference from Protect & Shell V, Adloquium, Phalanx, Stoneskin, Enblizzard, Haste, Firestorm +7 STR, Regen V and Embrava.

[Daemon]

No, for that the Vile elixirs are a great help, and if it happens that I am out of mine and need more we have our melee bring and bazaar them.
An icarus wing leaves you medicated for 2 hours, so for a meager 20% return of your mp it's not worth it.

And if you need several Viles to cope with MP consumption there's something else terribly amiss.



Interesting, two pairs of gloves in one set, and still faaar from optimal.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/306862
Add in a pair of augmented Zentih pumps and voila, capped cure potency.
I'm sure people can make more optimal sets, but this is what I could come up with quickly with reasonably obtainable gear.

Yeah ok point wasn't about whats best. Point was do I really need 50% cure potency for plasm farming when I'm not having trouble keeping the team alive, buffed and have no issue depending on myself to recover mp without the support of Bard and Cor?

And Vile Elixer+1 is 180k on my sever and you can only use it once being that its Rare item. Which I almost never have to use.

You see you both are still continuing to prove that I'm wrong for choosing to play a different style than yours. And trying to prove I'm wrong for playing the way I want.

I never said your build is wrong. I never said mine is the best. I'm saying Hvelgamir is not worthless and has its uses. And that my style of play is not the same as everyone else.

[Tamoa]

In other threads I explained that "you have other options" on how to keep mp up or keep heal up. The job has the abilities no?? Some people criticized me for suggesting Rapture. Why do we even have the skill then??

You really don't get it, do you. Okay I'll try to keep it very very basic and simple; by not having 50% cure potency it means you might have to cast CureIV instead of CureIII to be able to cure for the same amount as a 50% potency CureIII would. How is that mp efficient?

Yeah ok. So Scholar absolutely makes no difference from Protect & Shell V, Adloquium, Phalanx, Stoneskin, Enblizzard, Haste, Firestorm +7 STR, Regen V and Embrava.

Did I say the sch makes no difference? The fact is though, if the DDs are shitty, you kill much slower, meaning the DDs will also take more damage per fight, healer have to spam cures, slept mobs will wake up and attack whoever slept them, meaning the sleepers (often the brd) might die - and all this often result in multiple deaths, slowing the whole run down immensely. Been there done that. There's a HUGE difference between plasm farming with good DDs and bad DDs.

[Daemon]

You really don't get it, do you. Okay I'll try to keep it very very basic and simple; by not having 50% cure potency it means you might have to cast CureIV instead of CureIII to be able to cure for the same amount as a 50% potency CureIII would. How is that mp efficient?





Did I say the sch makes no difference? The fact is though, if the DDs are shitty, you kill much slower, meaning the DDs will also take more damage per fight, healer have to spam cures, slept mobs will wake up and attack whoever slept them, meaning the sleepers (often the brd) might die - and all this often result in multiple deaths, slowing the whole run down immensely. Been there done that. There's a HUGE difference between plasm farming with good DDs and bad DDs.

Ok but that's your way of playing the job. I never said I was struggling to keep DDs alive. In fact I don't need to Cure my team often because of Regen V & Phalanx.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to prove that my playstyle of choice is wrong. I earned EMP staff why is it wrobg for me to use it? Plasm farming is not hard.

I can understand if it was A boss fight but these are not NMs, these are regular monsters in delve.

[Shirai]

Yes, your playstyle is extremely inefficient. So yes, you are doing it wrong.

And this is the last I will say about it, I will keep reading because bluntly said, you and your arguments are quite amusing.

[Daemon]

Yes, your playstyle is extremely inefficient. So yes, you are doing it wrong.

If I was having a hard time keeping buffs up and keeping my team alive. Or if I was struggling to keep my mp up. Then you can tell me that my way is wrong.

If I had bard and Cor for mp, then I never use Myrkr.

But I tell them not to worry about me and focus on DD as I am in the way during runs making them do extra work. (I'm usually too close to DDs for Accession)

So what is the problem, we are accomplishing the same goal? Is it because you follow statistics & mechanics?

You must have the wrong impression. I never rest for mp, almost never use convert. Almost never use Icarus and Vile Elixer and handle my own with Sublimation and Myrkr.

Maybe in 1 run I use Myrkr 2 times, 3 the most depending on DD but that's only because Im making use of the TP I gained from Adloquium.

Again I'm not saying my build is right or the best. I'm saying I choose to play differently than you. Is that bad really?

I worked hard for Hvelagamir, and you are saying I'm wrong for wanting to use it.

I've almost never had my MP run out unless I had to raise people and that's when Convert, Vile Elixer and Icarus Wing is an available option for me.