Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

[Damane]

50% of jobs is wholly unacceptable. These Developers need to increase Delve's accessibility, which I hope they're in the process of doing, and the playerbase need to start seeing beyond BG-approved bandwagon jobs/gear. If things keep up the way it is, August 27 can't come fast enough and the servers can't close soon enough.

its absolutly acceptable, you have a buttong called "Change Job". seriously gearing 4-5 jobs to a very good level should be common today...

and if you dont want to play any of the jobs listed its your own fault. The possibility is there you just need to work on it.

[Umichi]

so people who don't enjoy playing those jobs have to suffer? is the expectation in this game put upon me is to magically have all jobs 99 and if i don't want to play the jobs wanted by a select group of players who play this game I should be excluded from it?

[Damane]

I actually don't fit into any of those categories, and I loathe delve.

I'm a little annoyed that RME lost their value, but it's due to the fact that I have 20 of them, not Just 1 or 2.

I loathe delve because I don't want to do an event that REQUIRES 18 people. There are not 18 people "good enough" to win 18 man content, unless they form a linkshell. I do not want to join a linkshell.

Oh and, those "vital" jobs listed, MNK WHM SCH BRD COR DRK (GEO)

The rest are "acceptable" the sch can enfeeble as well as the rdm, drg's angon is not vital, its nice to have to speed things up. One could argue that tomahawk would probably be better, as it would change the damage resistances... RNG is "optional". PLD is optional also.

Significantly less than 50%.

1. DRG's Angon is actually VERY Vital in those fights, especially on tojil with its AoE attack down aura, and the job is very good when the delve bosses enter their piercing weakness stage point.
2. Tomahawk does shit on the different damage taken stages on bosses, tested, doesnt pan out because its not a mob specific jobtrait of dmg resistance (like piercing to undead) but a phase the mob enters.
3. RNG isnt needed in every run, but its quiet welcoem fro the bee megaboss and for new megabosses. the RNG method is the safest method to get a grasp at whats going on and win fights when you do a beaded run, including a PLD.
4. a PLD can be quiet handy to hold multiple Nms or to sack the entire path to the megaboss + adds a safety net. granted we do that with sleeps and leave the sacking to a BRD. Neverthless the possibility is there.
5. SAM is very vital in foret the hennetiel preNMs and actually also very good on the delve megabosses, but both work SAM and DRK. Situational one is better then the other.

oh and I am sure BLU can pick the pace too once the 1 hander update hits.


and just btw:
you are the category 3 People: you want the easy way out because 18 man content is just sooooo stressfull for you ._., because you know joining endgame linkshells, contributing to teamplay, contributing to a linkshell etc etc is against your BST mentality of playing solo constantly.

[Damane]

so people who don't enjoy playing those jobs have to suffer? is the expectation in this game put upon me is to magically have all jobs 99 and if i don't want to play the jobs wanted by a select group of players who play this game I should be excluded from it?

1. I doint say to get all jobs to 99
2. you will probably be fine if you have 2 of those 11+ jobs I listed at an exeptional state geared and skilled
3. YOUR choice, do it or leave it and focus on other content
or 4. OMG try to setup your own strategys with other jobs!

You cant expect this challenging (not ridiculusly omfg unfair like prenerf legion) fights/mechanics to be designed around ALL jobs, that is just not possible.

[Castoth]

'Do it or leave it'. From the looks of things, a decent number are choosing the latter. There are serious, potentially fatal, flaws with the new direction Square is taking this game. To pretend they don't exist, will continue to make this issue far worse. I wouldn't be surprised to even see more server merges in the near term at this rate, which is not a good thing in terms of game longevity.

[Sparthos]

I think people are frankly being disingenuous when they say that "well, just level a job that's ideal at this event and you'll be fine!" because well... that statement is complete bullshit.

Firstly, unless you're going GEO or COR, you're going to need to gear out your ass in order to compete in Delve. That means getting pieces from various content that may/may not be accessible anymore. See, if you played XI for a while you're fine because well you've been doing things like NNI, SalvageII, Legion or Voidwatch to keep jobs up to date but trying to do those things right now proves to be quite difficult when all that matters is Delve.

Matsui envisioned people going back to gear for the "ultimate event" but as it stands you're either ready or stuck.

For instance, people often cite Ranger as being the easy way to clear this event... if you can gather 99 Relic Rangers decked with ideal sets. It is disingenuous to make it seem like RNG is the ezpz mode when you need ultimate weapons which take months to put together unless you happen to be sitting on piles of cash. Grabbing 4-5 Sureshot/Spelogean RNGs is a sure-fire way to grab hate and wipe.

Samurai needs Murasamemaru from Uptala to ignore those damage resistant mobs like Craklaw and Krabi which is great if you managed to get one of those swords way back when Uptala was being spammed constantly. With the death of VWNM, so has the pool of available pulse cells to get this weapon.

PLD needs Brochain / Aegis to be considered which is months of prepwork.

BRDs ideally have Ghorn and Daurdablas with 4 song access which requires HMPs / Riftcinder which has dried up in recent months.

etc. etc.

[Damane]

I think people are frankly being disingenuous when they say that "well, just level a job that's ideal at this event and you'll be fine!" because well... that statement is complete bullshit.

Firstly, unless you're going GEO or COR, you're going to need to gear out your ass in order to compete in Delve. That means getting pieces from various content that may/may not be accessible anymore. See, if you played XI for a while you're fine because well you've been doing things like NNI, SalvageII, Legion or Voidwatch to keep jobs up to date but trying to do those things right now proves to be quite difficult when all that matters is Delve.

Matsui envisioned people going back to gear for the "ultimate event" but as it stands you're either ready or stuck.

For instance, people often cite Ranger as being the easy way to clear this event... if you can gather 99 Relic Rangers decked with ideal sets. It is disingenuous to make it seem like RNG is the ezpz mode when you need ultimate weapons which take months to put together unless you happen to be sitting on piles of cash. Grabbing 4-5 Sureshot/Spelogean RNGs is a sure-fire way to grab hate and wipe.

Samurai needs Murasamemaru from Uptala to ignore those damage resistant mobs like Craklaw and Krabi which is great if you managed to get one of those swords way back when Uptala was being spammed constantly. With the death of VWNM, so has the pool of available pulse cells to get this weapon.

PLD needs Brochain / Aegis to be considered which is months of prepwork.

BRDs ideally have Ghorn and Daurdablas with 4 song access which requires HMPs / Riftcinder which has dried up in recent months.

etc. etc.

well then get to work and gather your friends. People had plenty of time the last 3 years to get 4-5 jobs up to an acceptable level of gearing.

i have kept 5 of my jobs constantly geared well and accomodate to what was available, GEO just joined the rank of my 6. job after adoulins release. It was and is doable.

[detlef]

so people who don't enjoy playing those jobs have to suffer? is the expectation in this game put upon me is to magically have all jobs 99 and if i don't want to play the jobs wanted by a select group of players who play this game I should be excluded from it?

You play DRG. Right now you're wanted for the toughest content. The problem is that you're probably not good enough to be invited because you don't know what you're doing.

[Karah]

and just btw:
you are the category 3 People: you want the easy way out because 18 man content is just sooooo stressfull for you ._., because you know joining endgame linkshells, contributing to teamplay, contributing to a linkshell etc etc is against your BST mentality of playing solo constantly.

I don't want to do it with them, not because I don't want to, but because they're incapable of doing it, there is a sizeable difference between the 2 scenarios.

I would rather hang from a rusty hook by my eye lids than waste hour after hour after hour watching scrub mnks (with oatixur) fail to properly count to 7 and kill the matamata (true story, multiple times).

Now If I could clone myself. 17x and play all 18 jobs MYSELF, so I know I'm playing with a reliable person, yeah, I might enjoy 18 man content. But until that day, 18 man content is BULLSHIT. Plain and simple.

[Alpheus]

well then get to work and gather your friends. People had plenty of time the last 3 years to get 4-5 jobs up to an acceptable level of gearing.

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So cram 3 years worth of events in time to do Delve while Delve is still current? Are you insane? And GEO and RUN are a gimmie for players like you and me who have kept current these past 3 years we're 15/15 in NNI so most of the fun pieces from there are taken care of there's no AF yet so we haven't needed to run around doing that stuff on top of random VW bodies or gear we got while that event was still popping.

So yes I agree with Sparthos there is a slight hint of a disingenuous tone. You cant go from stuck to ready to do Delve with 5 other people who are in the same boat as you AND still be ready to jump into a group in a week from now (as an example). It might be possible if it was 1 person getting geared by 5 other established players (like say a buddy came back from break or w/e) but your whole "Well just go wrangle some friends and lets get this done" advice while still the correct piece of advice comes with the caveat: "You probably won't finish in time by August when Tojil and Co become Old Hat."

That said I do agree with you, yours is the correct answer but it has its downsides, it isn't applicable to everyone because I assume once the time required is mentioned most people will become demotivated and deflated. Matsui and company would have to make serious adjustments (in some cases again) to make VW and salvage and NNI more "crammable" by players who are stuck: make VW lowmannable for drops and for salvage and NNI remove the cooldowns on entry. If Matsui is serious about having 10 years worth of content be the foundation for Delve then changes have to be made where all that is spammable and the fun part is that they don't have the limitations they did back when they first made Neo-Dyna.

They had to balance making it accessible while not crashing the currency demand market cuz Relics and the like were still in vogue and they repeated that balanced approach with Salvage cuz again they didnt want a flood of Alex. Now that we have confirmation that Delve weapons will have the last laugh (remember he said RMEs will get only 1 mulligan and then that's it) then who gives a crap if you can spam Salvage multiple times a day or what have you.

So for the players who are stuck it's a matter of convenience rather than difficulty dealing with content that has many restrictions in place for reasons that have now been rendered void.