Your actions are making the entire FFXI community suffer

[Daemon]

The ultimate problem isn't players not being open minded. Its just that people rather not waste more time than needed to a achieve something, be it menial tasks or large undertakings. For a game that is extremely math heavy and thoroughly explored by many veterans and people of many related professions its obvious to anyone that those who want to achieve things will go about it in the most effective manner in which others will follow be it by learning the job on their own(on of the best whms I've ever known did this) or through doing research(hey I aby burned blm and am perfectly capable of playing it not like an idiot wooooo).

What is hurting the game the most is how unfriendly the game is in regards to player error and length of time devoted to these events. Be it between gathering/planning people to do an event and then the event itself people do not want failure as it is a massive morale break and thus are willing to give up small bits of their own joy for the greater thus why people often say level another job.

TLR
Daemon people aren't smashing you for trying to invoke alternative play, they are doing so because you are advocating for them to do things that may ultimately burn them out as the game currently is in flux with many being unable to make the connections to do those earlier events and even then its a tasking choir.

And I agree with you however, i dont agree with how some players have the attitude of acting like their high standards need to be met up with theirs.

Im not going to sit here and tell people to stop collecting gear or dont do this because its worthless. To those of you who think its worthless fine. Thats your opinion but advising others to because you think you know its worthless is where im offended. Let that be the choice of the person who wants to take the time to earn whatever gear they want. Rather then give them a reason not to do it all. If that really is the case then might as well advise them not even play the game. Some people think Delve is the only gear that matters. Im here trying to tell people its not, and that they need to go out and collect other pieces for different reason and different purposes.

Burned out because they dont want to take the time to do anything does not mean everyone is the same either.

Maybe Hvelgamir is worthless to you people but I have it and use it all the time that I can say im happy with it and that it does make a difference in how I play. However disrespecting me by acting like Im talking nonsense and trying to make my statement meritless is where you people are not only judging me but you also are trashing me and trying to put me down as if i dont deserve to have an opinion because mine doesnt matter over yours.

[Alpheus]

Anyone else want to insult me? Put me down for trying to be nice and help others out? Because so far Im only seeing people criticize me for trying.

People have commended you for putting yourself out there just unfortunately not everyone is going to agree with you especially when you put forth ideas that run counter to how a majority of players understand the game. People are gonna call it as they see it. Hate to break it to ya.

[Daemon]

People have commended you for putting yourself out there just unfortunately not everyone is going to agree with you especially when you put forth ideas that run counter to how a majority of players understand the game. People are gonna call it as they see it. Hate to break it to ya.

And act like i dont understand the game either? Yeah ok, Im done with this game. And Im done trying to help others.

[Zagen]

When you talk like this:

Well lets see if you are SCH and hired to play as Main heal support...u are not DDing... You are not Nuking... U are not enfeebling... And you should not be constantly switching staffs... And what you gain from your 50% potency well makes up for it through other buffs...

Knowing your job doesn't mean only knowing the gear but requires you to know your time limits on recast and what things you need to switch over for what moments necessary.

You're going to get told off because you're giving advice and not your opinion.

When you talk like this though:

Maybe Hvelgamir is worthless to you people but I have it and use it all the time that I can say im happy with it and that it does make a difference in how I play. However disrespecting me by acting like Im talking nonsense and trying to make my statement meritless is where you people are not only judging me but you also are trashing me and trying to put me down as if i dont deserve to have an opinion because mine doesnt matter over yours.

Your opinion won't get met with much resistance because you are simply stating what works for you. It is an opinion and not advice.

[Tamoa]

Advocating fulltiming one staff on a mage job is nonsense though. At least if you're serious about a job and want to maximize the effect of your spells as well as being as efficient as possible. Hvergelmir will do nothing for your spells, or make you cast faster or lower your recast timer. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Equipping it and using an icarus wing to regain mp in an oshit situation is an option, I'll give you that. It's not one I'd use myself (never been necessary), nor would I recommend making the staff for that reason alone. But if you already have the staff or want to make one anyway, sure, nothing wrong with keeping a wing in your inventory if you have room for it.

[Daemon]

When you talk like this:


You're going to get told off because you're giving advice and not your opinion.

When you talk like this though:



Your opinion won't get met with much resistance because you are simply stating what works for you. It is an opinion and not advice.

And you pointing out only 1 piece of the conversation to think that im giving people advice. Read before this article and you will see that Im defending myself. Big Difference.

Giving official advice and debating with someone else is not the same.

[Daemon]

Advocating fulltiming one staff on a mage job is nonsense though. At least if you're serious about a job and want to maximize the effect of your spells as well as being as efficient as possible. Hvergelmir will do nothing for your spells, or make you cast faster or lower your recast timer. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Equipping it and using an icarus wing to regain mp in an oshit situation is an option, I'll give you that. It's not one I'd use myself (never been necessary), nor would I recommend making the staff for that reason alone. But if you already have the staff or want to make one anyway, sure, nothing wrong with keeping a wing in your inventory if you have room for it.

So lets hear your official advice on what is the correct way we all should be playing.

[Damane]

I agree to some degree with the OP.

The challenge is there and managable, people just slacked too much and got lazy. Not only do you have to be somewhat skilled to take on delve bosses (and that requires focus from each ally member, you cant have melees go rampage without knowing when to go into defense mode) but you also need the gear to back it up otherwise you will hit a wall. So get your lazy asses up and start gearing yourself up.

[Tamoa]

So lets hear your official advice on what is the correct way we all should be playing.

I'm not going to write a lengthy response explaining how to optimally gear your mage jobs. FFXIAH has excellent guides for those who seek advice, way better than what I'd be able to put together in a few minutes.

Sch: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/32...ars-education/

Blm: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/38...or-black-mage/

Smn: http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/35...mmoners-guide/

[Daemon]

Just to be clear about something to those who do read our debates and arguements.

I never implied that you dont need to have the sets at all. I stated that for certain things its not necessary to use capped sets allowing you to use different pieces of gear for different reasons. Its not official advice, it was just an opinion.

If you read my guide from the other post, I even encouraged people to collect several sets and find out the max cap on the ability in question.

The debate here is that I stated for simple things like plasm farming, you can still achieve the same goal without having to wear 50% cure potency and gave the reason why i dont wear it. However this was not official advice, it was only sharing with you the different game strategy i use.

In general this really wasn't the purpose of the topic in question. As my original post was about how the actions of others is effecting the community and disagreed that people shouldnt be advising others to stop collecting gears. I also stated that its not fair to have unreasonable expectations of others who are not on the same level as the those who are.

The reason why i brought up this post is because I was sick of seeing people telling others not get REM because its worthless. When SE already stated that they will add in upgrades later for it.

I also was tired of seeing people in town discriminating others for not having Delve weapons in lower level content where its not needed.

I was also disappointed to see players say "Why are you helping me? and after saying because "i want to", they said "Oh, usually people dont help anyone." And this is why i felt the need to make this post.

But rather seeing the positive side of how I wanted to bring this topic into light, I ended up debating and arguing with several players and therefore end it here, thanks and enjoy FFXI. Im out.