Your actions are making the entire FFXI community suffer

[Tamoa]

Do you fulltime Hvergelmir on sch? Do you cure with it? Stun with it? Cast debuffs with it?

I do indeed.

I rest my case.

[Daemon]

Haha <3 And this is why I said Abbysea totally ruined players opportunity to take the time to "learn" their jobs to the fullest...

[Sparthos]

Learning a job is fulltiming a staff with no relevant mage stats (woo MP!) and a weaponskill that restores MP when half the time you could suffice by riding JAs and utilizing easily acquired refresh pieces to idle in?

[Daemon]

Learning a job is fulltiming a staff with no relevant mage stats (woo MP!) and a weaponskill that restores MP when half the time you could suffice by riding JAs and utilizing easily acquired refresh pieces to idle in?

Oh really now? That's the best knowledge you have to share with us? Seriously if you think mage class is easy to play I question what your skills are as a DD?

[Mahoro]

Ehhh, although I like what you are trying to do with these posts Daemon, even I've got to admit that full-timing Hvergelmir might lead to certain disadvantages just for the sake of MP. When I am on Stun duties on SCH/BLM, I've got to switch into Apamajas. I switch into my Arka IV for Cures. Terra's helps in certain situations. Kirin's Pole for Embravas, Chatoyant's if I need to help debuff delve NMs, etc. Couldn't imagine not making these basic swaps.

[Daemon]

Ehhh, although I like what you are trying to do with these posts Daemon, even I've got to admit that full-timing Hvergelmir might lead to certain disadvantages just for the sake of MP. When I am on Stun duties on SCH/BLM, I've got to switch into Apamajas. I switch into my Arka IV for Cures. Terra's helps in certain situations. Kirin's Pole for Embravas, etc. Couldn't imagine not making these basic swaps.

Ok Stun duties is different. But you still have Vile Elixers and Ikarus Wing for emergencies "At the moment" to quickly switch over, use wing and gain enough TP to use Myrkr once since TP wing has med limit. Also I believe Corsair could give you regain. Not to forget Corsair could Wildcard you with the possibility to reset your abilities.

But even so if you are playing something that allows you to Aspir, use that to your advantage too.
WHM also can give you MP with the use of Devotion.

Also as I said before. You don't need to have 50% Cure Potency if you can keep Regen V up and Perperpetuance can be use to your advantage. Also using AF3 Headpiece gives high Regen. Phalanx is what reduces damage maybe not by a lot to some depending on how much Pdt gear a job is wearing differences can vary. But atleast this helps you from wasting so much MP curing.

The issue is when learning to play any job, you have to take a closer look at details such as instant time VS over the course of time. And balance out your skills. As SE says, Scholar is a tactician.

Gear plays an important role as I said before. You have enhance Stonkskin effect gear that's very helpful.

Because I have many gear sets and items specific to certain spell enhancements. This allows me to full time Hvelgamir.

As for stun, you don't need to over gear depending what you are expected to do because even with alacrity alone you can recast within 10-15 seconds compared to RDM with full Fastcast set recast around 30-35 seconds. And if you are trying to instant cast stun the Redmage with AF2 Relic Body fully upgraded adding +20 Seconds on to CS is better suited for that role and SCH better used for Storms, Regain, Phalanx, Regen V, Shock Spikes and Enspells and of course Embrava.

EDIT:

I just wanted to thank you Mahoro for being nice. And because i was caught up in replying to several other post i did not give you a proper answer and reason why I equipped Hvelgamir full time other than when needing to swap for other reasons when needed. Yes I do swap staves for Embrava. I just dont use any other staves because with Adoulin gear + Bokwus robe, Refraction cape and some accuracy + enfeebling gears along with AF pieces all of my spells land without issue and the only 2 spells I use mainly for mobs is Dia and Sleep. Even gravity lands btw, so therefore I never use Cha staff. I mean Soothsayer staff has high INT with MND on it so this is the point I was saying earlier that I dont need other staffs.

When I answered and said Full time, I didnt mean it as "I never swap out staff."
I meant it as I have to in order to regain TP for Hvelgamir. Which is where I made a mistake in the debate going on.

Also I rarely use Hvelgamir in party, Maybe up to 2 times depending on the situation as I said before Sublimation does a great job. However I never depend on bards and cor for refresh. I usually tell them not to worry about it because since Im always standing near the mobs for Accession, its pointless to ballad me and then use marches when Im close by as that adds extra work on them.

So to save them the issue of recasting, I just tell them not to focus on me.

Hope that clears some things up and thanks again for being awesome, wish I could interact with more people like you.

[Sparthos]

Oh really now? That's the best knowledge you have to share with us? Seriously if you think mage class is easy to play I question what your skills are as a DD?

You're making a dig at Abyssea when clearly you've as much to learn as the rest of us.

I freely admit im not the best SCH but I know well enough that fulltiming Hvergelmir is a horrible decision akin to wanting to melee BLM to utilize the aftermath of the Mythic staff. It sounds good on paper just like taking certain jobs to specific events sounds good until you're knee deep in the event and realize just how ineffective things become.

The benefits of +1 refresh using something as simple as an Owleyes in combination with Genbu's Shield for idling and swapping into Magians/Tefnut/Soothsayers trumps any benefit being able to fill your MP bar will ever provide. Your heals will be better, your nukes more effective, debuffs will stick more frequently and this in your main slot, arguably the most powerful slot for any job.

Again, provide an event where padding MP is so crucial and with some combination of gear and proper JA usage you can do better than using Hvergelmir. Delve EXP? Use Regen, Sublimation, Penury Cures and most of the time you should be able to maintain a safe buffer MP-wise and that is before you factor in the songs/rolls you should be receiving from someone.

Owleyes/xx/xx/xx
Nefer/xx/xx/xx
Heka's/Serp/xx/xx
xx/xx/Nares/Serp

Easy refresh/idle build. Orveil, Bokwus or Nefer gear are all easily acquired bodypieces and I tossed in the Nefer Khat since its easier to obtain than a Refresh hairpin for most. The Serpentes pieces are easily acquired, Sublimation gear can be idled in when you aren't doing anything for even more Refresh. Access to Convert and Refresh from /RDM give you further MP saving options on top of the ones native to Scholar. The hardest piece in that build to get is Nares and you can replace that with Subligar from Abyssea.

[Tamoa]

Honestly, I don't think I'd recommend any newer player to take the advice from someone who advocates fulltiming a staff on a mage job and says 50% cure potency isn't necessary.

[Umichi]

I'm in utter agreement with Sparthos's statements. He hit on the current state of the game, for better or for worse. This is why I think Daemon's comments are helpful. He is actually trying to show people what they need to do UNTIL the devs themselves create more content in that "gap." But I agree there are issues with the xpac and hopefully the new events Matsui is adding between the content levels in July/August will help out.

I don't need to be told what to do thank you very much......

Edit: or shown I've been playing for five years..... yet everybody else's perspective is being pushed upon me expecting me to play how they wanna... SE has presented me a game I play... I play it... sometimes I try the higher up endgame content... one thing for sure communication is kinda stupid in FFXI..... can't get anything done....

[Kojo]

It doesn't matter what example I used. It's the fact that people are misleading others to believe that REM is absolutely useless therefore encouraging others not to dedicate time into getting these or other equipment out there in other contents when they are still relevant and needed.

Maybe Top level players who have the ability to obtain Delve weapons and Delve gear find it useless. But telling players who don't already have the best not to get the gear "They have already" is misleading and misguiding to those who don't.

You cannot expect every player to be on the same level as you.

Delve weapons are very easy to get if you find a leader who isn't an elitist prick, because of that, no, melee relics are not worth it as a stepping stone. Secondly it matters a great deal what example you use when you're making a bold statement about R/M/Es being useful and only using Yagrush as an example.

I'd also like to point out that you never gave a valid reason as to why R/M/Es are still useful. If you have one already and do not have a delve weapon, relics are still useful till you get a Delve weapon, then it becomes a conversation piece. If you are new or returning and have no R/M/E, it isn't going to be worth getting one to bridge the gap, easier, faster, and more efficient to level a utility job to get into Delve for your Delve weapon.