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  1. #111
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    No, seriously.

    BLM first of all is barely used except for the occasional manaburn skirmish, where you will be running around and nuking things in Cirdas [U] that die pretty quickly. Nothing will be alive long enough to engage, you will never have TP unless you're using Icarus Wings and those give medicated status.

    SMN is garbage, sorry. When SE removed the need for Perfect Defense from FFXI they effectively wiped the job off the face of the earth, and regardless, SMN isn't meleeing anything worth discussing. Sorry, being useful against trash mobs doesn't make something useful overall, sincerely, my Mjollnir.

    SCH is used for three things as far as relevant content goes: stun gunning, being an extremely low maintenance two-box, and being an effective low-attention healer via regen for weak content. In none of these circumstances is Myrkr ever going to come into play.

    So Myrkr is useful?
    All 3 jobs have the ability to use Ikarus wing to gain TP in case an emergency happens where Myrkr is needed "at the moment".

    Scholar CAN keep up TP regain the entire time with Perpetuance + Adloquium. (And why wouldn't you if that helps the DD's TP faster?) That includes BLM in party "Could" get this too depending what role they play and what gear they use however since BLM won't be keeping this equipped playing the "Nuker" roll based on switching over to staffs such as Magian Trial or MAB soothsayer staff then yes the Ikarus wing would still be option of choice.

    Maybe "YOU" never partied with a good Summoner but the ones I've partied with always gave us "Fleetwind" to save us time roaming around huge maps, Dyna Xarc, Dyna Bubu, ect. Alexander used in every event where it was required unless if it was something we could handle without. And depending on what you are doing, Ecliptic Growl or Howl is used for stat buffs.

    In certain events such as WoE & Besieged where Temp items such as Dusty Wing that gives 300% TP.

    Myrkr can give you over 1K MP back.

    And you are saying this is worthless.

    Btw when I Scholar, Bards don't even have to worry about keeping Ballads up or even cast it on me allowing them to have less work and more focus on DD in big events.
    When Max merits on Sublimation and Convert can do a decent job, Myrkr is what keeps SCH independent on MP.


    Poor advice given to players who ask for help follow your example and wonder why they got refused joining big events when they did the best they could to listen and do what you advised them to do.
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahoro View Post
    No, ALL Delve does that, not just the Fracture Bosses. Your average joe player is slowly getting KIs and ending up with the Delve weapons which he will R.15. Your average joe player is JUST as complicit in tanking Dynamis currency. It isn't solely the province of what the end game LS's are doing with the bosses. Yay ;;
    Hmm I can see your point. I was however just looking at it from the standpoint of, if you have those wins under your belt outside of polishing off some R15s on key pieces what need is their for plasm for groups who can get wins regularly? I ponder it because there's gonna come a point where the group will be swimming in the bosses drops which would make anyone look at their plasm and say "F@#k it turn it into gil" Having thought about it some more to type out the above though I can see how the groups who are capable of getting the wins aren't at the point where they are swimming in YOLO helms or Oatixurs. So again I do see your point. As for average joe being just as complicit I made the mistake of lumping that implication with the mere mention of how dyna currency worked (as in there were always people undercutting and such) .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    Well, Shark is extremely squishy so the trick is really staying alive. People are using RUN and MNK/RUN to drop Aura, fulltime Vallation etc. Also, RUN has an A in Sword, access to good 1H equipment, and the ability to use Requiescat, which is a huge asset in Foret de Hennetiel.
    Interesting. I had heard about /RUNing but if bringing a main RUN to help ignore the damage resistances of Craklaw, Krabimanjaro and lessen elemental damage works then that is one less job in the "never bring" pile. I guess if PUP could manage to land Armor Shatterer on a target it'd be an asset on a boss if you can manage to keep the automaton alive to keep DEF- on the target. Opening with Ventrilo at the least gets you one attempt.

    It's also funny how what server you're on affects your ability to get things done. For instance, the ability to get a 4 song harp right now on Lakshmi is severely curtailed by the inability to secure the plates required to finish the trial and the cinder may as well not exist. This is all assuming unlimited gil of course since 1 cinder is approaching 3m and plates have floated back to pre-Voidwatch adjustment prices.

    If you bet that SE would make these items easier to get in the Adoulin era, you've got some crow to eat.
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    Sorry, but I stopped reading the OP when you used Yagrush as an example for your R/M/E statement and left it at that. So, as you pointed out in a later post, we need to be more specific, so tell me how Apocalypse and Ragnarok are still relevant in current events in SoA, you'll probably say something about Apoc's Haste and Drain via Catastrophe, so let's focus on Ragnarok.

    Just to point out before you start, Scourge has an aftermath augmenting critical hits, but due to the potency of this aftermath, and the low damage of Scourge, it isn't worth using Scourge for that aftermath. Now, you may proceed, Governor.
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    Can you imagine waking up each morning knowing that you would have to wrestle a man-sized radish to death in order to eat?
    Sorry, had to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kojo View Post
    Sorry, but I stopped reading the OP when you used Yagrush as an example for your R/M/E statement and left it at that. So, as you pointed out in a later post, we need to be more specific, so tell me how Apocalypse and Ragnarok are still relevant in current events in SoA, you'll probably say something about Apoc's Haste and Drain via Catastrophe, so let's focus on Ragnarok.

    Just to point out before you start, Scourge has an aftermath augmenting critical hits, but due to the potency of this aftermath, and the low damage of Scourge, it isn't worth using Scourge for that aftermath. Now, you may proceed, Governor.
    It doesn't matter what example I used. It's the fact that people are misleading others to believe that REM is absolutely useless therefore encouraging others not to dedicate time into getting these or other equipment out there in other contents when they are still relevant and needed.

    Maybe Top level players who have the ability to obtain Delve weapons and Delve gear find it useless. But telling players who don't already have the best not to get the gear "They have already" is misleading and misguiding to those who don't.

    You cannot expect every player to be on the same level as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    All 3 jobs have the ability to use Ikarus wing to gain TP in case an emergency happens where Myrkr is needed "at the moment".

    Scholar CAN keep up TP regain the entire time with Perpetuance + Adloquium. (And why wouldn't you if that helps the DD's TP faster?) That includes BLM in party "Could" get this too depending what role they play and what gear they use however since BLM won't be keeping this equipped playing the "Nuker" roll based on switching over to staffs such as Magian Trial or MAB soothsayer staff then yes the Ikarus wing would still be option of choice.

    Maybe "YOU" never partied with a good Summoner but the ones I've partied with always gave us "Fleetwind" to save us time roaming around huge maps, Dyna Xarc, Dyna Bubu, ect. Alexander used in every event where it was required unless if it was something we could handle without. And depending on what you are doing, Ecliptic Growl or Howl is used stats stat buffs.

    In certain events such as WoE & Besieged where Temp items such as Dusty Wing that gives 300%.

    Myrkr can give you over 1K MP back.

    And you are saying this is worthless.

    Btw when I Scholar, Bards don't even have to worry about keeping Ballads up or even cast it on me allowing them to have less work and more focus on DD in big events.
    When Max merits on Sublimation and Convert can do a decent job, Myrkr is what keeps SCH independent fully.

    Do you fulltime Hvergelmir on sch? Do you cure with it? Stun with it? Cast debuffs with it?

    Any mage worth their salt gear swaps, including the weapon slot. Saying Myrkr is useful because you can use an icarus wing every 120 minutes to get mp back is one hell of a weak argument for making Hvergelmir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler
    In the FFXI universe, the down of Phoenix is so fine that it quickly broke down into a sort of dust. Smaller than dust, actually. A barely visible particle.

    This down was carried by the winds of Vana'diel. Some people breathed it in and contracted Phoenix Downs Syndrome. Some of those people post on this very board.

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    Where are the situations where a mage doesn't have access to a source of refresh via BRD, GEO, COR etc.

    At easy events your MP won't be so taxed meaning you can simply sustain off gear/Sublimation/Convert and in party scenarios you should have at least one outside source of Refresh. Hvergelmir is overall pretty useless and this argument is still as weak as when Alhanelem created that 400 post monstrosity that the mods banished to the Shadow Realm.

    Icarus Wings? Seriously, that is a oneshot deal and idling in the same staff for the sake of MP efficiency when you could be swapping in other staves/clubs to maximize each cure/nuke/buff/debuff is counterproductive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamoa View Post
    Do you fulltime Hvergelmir on sch? Do you cure with it? Stun with it? Cast debuffs with it?

    Any mage worth their salt gear swaps, including the weapon slot. Saying Myrkr is useful because you can use an icarus wing every 120 minutes to get mp back is one hell of a weak argument for making Hvergelmir.
    And all I am thinking is Vile Elixers and their +1s in the cases where I really run out of MP and other recovery options like Sublimation or convert depending on which sub I am on.
    And that only seems to happen on real intense situations where my bard is down and has no means to get up safely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamoa View Post
    Do you fulltime Hvergelmir on sch? Do you cure with it? Stun with it? Cast debuffs with it?

    Any mage worth their salt gear swaps, including the weapon slot. Saying Myrkr is useful because you can use an icarus wing every 120 minutes to get mp back is one hell of a weak argument for making Hvergelmir.
    I do indeed.

    Because Regen V, Phalanx and Cure 4 does more than enough to help me keep DDs alive and sometimes tossing a Stonskin can give you a couple of seconds to recover MP with your options of Sublimation and Convert. While Hekas set helps me on 15% Cure Potency. You don't need to over gear SCH on Cure Potency. 50% potency is nice but not needed since SCH can maintain MP much better than WHM and doesn't use expensive spells quickly compared to Cure V & VI.

    And in the case of an emergency Embrava can give even higher Regen stacked with Regen V..

    Oh did I say how great Myrkr is?

    And yes you need to be wearing SCH AF3 Headpiece when casting Regen V.

    And my argument is weak... Anymore insults?
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