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    Player Asymptotic's Avatar
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    I'm confidently stating it as fact as of the current stats, yes. Because my statement was accurate.

    Okay.
    So. How can I explain this.

    You have 300 million gil.

    You can like, spend it on something that might perhaps maybe be good someday*. Or ...
    You can keep it, and get things that are better than the 300m option for free by half-AFKing for a few days in miserable plasm farms.

    Yeah I don't know, that's a really hard decision.


    *DATE INDETERMINATE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    Empyreans that are not harp or shield are useless.
    Continue to mislead people. Myrkr is useless? This is why I made this post to begin with >.>
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    Yes, pretty much. And since people want to use "future upgrades" as an argument, that WS is getting unlocked anyway - on the WoE version I can buy without leaving town once I've camped the NMs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    Yes, pretty much. And since people want to use "future upgrades" as an argument, that WS is getting unlocked anyway - on the WoE version I can buy without leaving town once I've camped the NMs.
    Big difference than people telling others not to even consider making one. And the stats of the EMP version is different than WoE path.
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    ...what?

    Yes Myrkr is useless, and yes I do have Hvergelmir. I made one because I think it looks pretty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler
    In the FFXI universe, the down of Phoenix is so fine that it quickly broke down into a sort of dust. Smaller than dust, actually. A barely visible particle.

    This down was carried by the winds of Vana'diel. Some people breathed it in and contracted Phoenix Downs Syndrome. Some of those people post on this very board.

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    Player Asymptotic's Avatar
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    The real question is why do you have TP on BLM, SMN, or SCH to even care about what WS you have access to?

    SCH's Mythic might as well be Apamajas II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamoa View Post
    If everyone on the server don't think like me, how come all I see are shouts for geos, 3/4 song brds, cors, Delve weapon DDs, whms with Arise and A/O plds?

    Every time a new event has been introduced into this game, people have tried out different strategies, figured out which one works the best and shared that information - and others have followed that strategy. It's all about efficiency and success rate. And when you are dealing with people you don't know, meaning you don't know their skill, their ability to follow instructions, their ability to focus etc etc - all you have to go by is their gear. And then - unless you're some sort of masochist - you stick to the jobs and the gear which will (in theory) maximize your chances of success. If you are making the effort of putting together a shout group - for anything - it makes perfect sense that you want the group to succeed and will do what you can to make sure that happens.
    I think what people are not realizing is that normal plasm farms are slowly dying out anyway as people realize that it's more efficient and easier to buy Airlixirs off the AH. +1s and +2s are tanking in price. You can buy a stack of +1s for about 1.5M gil now. Accruing those in plasm farms would normally take 5 or 6 Plasm runs at 45 minutes each. What would you rather do: deal with 4 hours of PUGs or farm some gil on your own and buy it?

    Frankly, one good side effect to larger LS's spamming bosses is that they are effectively tanking the price of Airlixirs everywhere as they trade in their excess Plasm and throw Airilxirs on the AH. I see a lot of complaining about the "haves versus the have-nots" but they forget that the "haves" are trickling down benefits to the "have-nots." Plasm is being devalued.

    Thus, if normal Delve plasm farms die out, and all that is left are groups doing NM / Boss runs, Daemon's tips ARE valid. And even if you take issue with one or two pieces of information here and there, I think his attitude is refreshing and helpful. If it does anything, it will show people what they need to do to be Delve Boss-ready. Because yes, you DO need gear from prior events, even the so-called "obsolete" events, to be Delve Boss-ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asymptotic View Post
    The real question is why do you have TP on BLM, SMN, or SCH to even care about what WS you have access to?

    SCH's Mythic might as well be Apamajas II.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tamoa View Post
    ...what?

    Yes Myrkr is useless, and yes I do have Hvergelmir. I made one because I think it looks pretty.
    Are you both serious??? What kind of question is this at level 99 especially for someone who has it??
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  9. #99
    Player Tamoa's Avatar
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    I don't know about you but I tend to gear swap a lot on my mage jobs. That includes the weapon slot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler
    In the FFXI universe, the down of Phoenix is so fine that it quickly broke down into a sort of dust. Smaller than dust, actually. A barely visible particle.

    This down was carried by the winds of Vana'diel. Some people breathed it in and contracted Phoenix Downs Syndrome. Some of those people post on this very board.

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    The bottom line is SE created new content that 90% of players will never clear because its designed to be difficult enough to gearcheck anyone not using optimal sets. Interestingly enough, this was said upfront by Matsui in his blogs out to the public and he suggested if you wanted to be prepared for this new content you should have completed things like NNI, Salvage II, Limbus II, Meebles etc etc.

    Now you could well rebut his statement with "It's fucking impossible to get people for these things through /sh" and probably have a well constructed argument considering that most people either have no interest in these things or have completed them already. If you don't believe me, try shouting and see how long it takes to get two people to do a simple Silver Sea II run or the 6+ people you'd want for Limbus II. We're just coming off Double Plans in Salvage II and demand for the gear was about as high as the lowliest tunnel worm.

    What Matsui envisioned was a gear ladder where people would return to Abyssea / Voidwatch to gear up for Delve but in reality what results is everyone trying to hammer the newest content with whatever they have. You can just smell the Abyssea-burned jobs coming into some Delve plasm runs and where you could get away with that crap back in Voidwatch where you could be propped up by drinks or even stuff like Salvage II / Limbus II where monsters aren't difficult moreso a challenge of navigating the content. Even Meebles isn't hard sans the few bosses that need some stuns.

    In Delve you're gonna have a bad time if you aren't skilled up or eating food to optimize stats. Don't even get me started on what happens when you have bad healers like people who mash Cure V/VI until their MP runs dry or DD who think riding every DEF- JA in the book is going to work when the healer can barely keep up. Throw in some subpar Bards and a lack of enthusiastic pulls and you have a recipe for a wiped party and sub-5k plasm runs.

    As for the "broaden your horizons!" mentality, thats well and good but don't start throwing around that bosses can be beaten with suboptimal jobs unless you're going to put skin in the game and prove everyone wrong. Rather than delegating people to think outside the box, lead by example and show people that BST, PUP, SMN, RUN, DNC can excel at downing Delve bosses like Tojil or Dakuwaqa. Lots of people would thank you.

    However, until that day comes people will gravitate towards what works, the devs are on the record stating that these mobs were not meant to be engaged by all job combinations, runs already require ridiculous combinations of 4 song Bards and expensive relics/delve boss gear coupled with precision partyswapping and good support behind hyperbuffed DD. You can also choose to use the easier RNG combinations but that requires 99 Guns/Bows and your milage may vary.

    Current XI:
    <--You can clear Delve.

    Void

    <- You can Plasm farm well but can't clear Delve.

    Void

    <- Players who couldn't beat Delve even if the monsters didn't attack.

    See those voids? That's the problem with XI right now and the devs have stated they know its a problem and are working on it. Till they fix it however, the game has very little appeal to all but a handful of people who can progress somewhere.
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    Last edited by Sparthos; 07-02-2013 at 10:36 PM.

    Sparthosx - Lakshmi - 90 BLU BRD SAM COR RNG DNC PUP BST WAR WHM
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