Adoulin: Scrolls of Instant Protect

[detlef]

Don't get into an argument with Umichi on DRG gear...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Endgame-Lances

[Zagen]

Its the rate of gain thats in Question, Not that its a job or theres effort required. The comparison is simply silly, nothing more, nothing less. While comparing it to RL currency is possible, what was used was a wrong, and wildly over-the-top exaggeration of the price of said item

The comparison is denoting that the value isn't there. If the value doesn't justify the cost there's no sale going on. If my rate of gain is 10/hr or 10,000/hr that is irrelevant unless I outright ignore value.

[Demon6324236]

Don't get into an argument with Umichi on DRG gear...

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Endgame-Lances

Yeah I know, that thread is partly why its hard to take anything he says seriously so far as things go, but oh well.

[Umichi]

I love how apparently me pointing out that there are better TP legs = forcing you to use different/better gear. Also, awesome job ignoring the entire part that was on topic rather than a direct reply to the quote.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what piece out there is easier to get than kareyiah that out paces them for fulltime. You chose to attack me on this matter, starting filling those boots....

If it's so weak and worthless then why do you bother defending rarely wanting to use it or defending those that want to use it even if you may remotely use it why bother doing anything to stir this conversation? Is it just to spite me then? cause I just pulled your logic against you...

As stated in a previous post I said while I am against a complete cheapening or upgrading of the scroll i am ok with a price drop.... so lets just get that out of the way.

and the aer aren't pure crap.... they are only crap because for high tier players the stats are negligible

[Umichi]

Yeah I know, that thread is partly why its hard to take anything he says seriously so far as things go, but oh well.

so you automatically walk into a conversation assuming you can't take me seriously.... do you even know how to discuss matters?

[OmnysValefor]

Wait which part about that 40 HP being lost isn't true?

I get that a cure, regen, a potion, or some other HP restoring method can regain that HP but I fail to see how it isn't lost until then.

When the player switches back to TP gear 1 second later and they regain their max hp, and it's healed back directly or indrectly, they've that much more chance of surviving the next dangerous aoe.

My point is that a player should still fully augment their bayld-TP gear for the situations in which its used. Just because WSing for a second might take it away doesn't mean the extra 40 to their max-hp won't save their life, and possibly the group, later on.

[Demon6324236]

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what piece out there is easier to get than kareyiah that out paces them for fulltime. You chose to attack me on this matter, starting filling those boots....

From easiest to hardest.



Cheap on the AH, should not be to bad to get your hands on, they also come from the same fight as the Calmecac I believe so if you want you can try to farm them normally, either one is a fine option.



These days Limbus is easy, so getting these should not be to bad, especially if you know anyone who wants the body for making the Enif body, in which case, tag along and grab these. An advantage to these is they are especially useful for DRG as /mage is not all to bad and they have 5% Fast Cast, they can also be upgraded to Enif if you fight Arch-Omega, which have upgraded stats in every way and are very good legs till Phorcys, Ares, or so on.



These are just a lot of Haste, they are not to hard since they come from Abyssea but might be a pain due to the fact Abyssea is basically dead, can do an Atma shout. All in all these are probably not to viable of an option, still, not bad, and potential choice in the end for a nice amount of Haste & some attack, since DRG has Accuracy Bonus V you do not really have much of a problem with the -accuracy on DRG unless doing some very hard NMs, in which case, you should not be using these anyways.



Tons of awesome multi-attack, no Attack or anything sadly but its amazing for TP gain, the only flaw to these legs are the Accuracy, which again, DRG is not very effected by anyways due to traits.



These might be a little harder to get your hands on, but if you shout for a NNI group to get to floor 80 you might pick these up while getting your wins for Phorcys gear. They are not bad legs, can direct drop, and would work wonders for a hold over piece. The standard NNI setups I see now are 4DDs, does not have to be godly DDs, just good ones, job is not as important as before if well geared, then just a SCH for Regen/Pro/Shell/Phalanx and a BRD/SMN for Hastega/Marches or a DNC for Chocobo Jig II.

Worth an honorable mention, as it is potentially the easiest, but also highly luck based.

Click on any of the pictures and it will take you to the BG page for the item, except these last legs, they are on AH.com as BG does not have the augments listed.

If it's so weak and worthless then why do you bother defending rarely wanting to use it or defending those that want to use it even if you may remotely use it why bother doing anything to stir this conversation? Is it just to spite me then? cause I just pulled your logic against you...

No, I just fail to see why they should put a scroll in the game that only comes from level 99 content that gives the same potency as a person half that level can cast on 1 of 4 jobs that most players have leveled at some point. I mean admittedly it would be kind of like if they made level 52~60 AF gear for RUN & GEO yet at the same time the quests took place in Adoulin, an entire series of areas made for jobs almost twice that level. I would love to see the item be of more use, but as it is now, its not, if they changed it, it might become something I would use, after all, I use Reraise Scrolls and Warp Scrolls, I keep 1 on me of each at all times if possible, so why would it be so bad to hope this would become one of those? As it is now, its not even close to that status because of its weak potency, that and its cost are the main reasons I do not bother with them.

As stated in a previous post I said while I am against a complete cheapening or upgrading of the scroll i am ok with a price drop.... so lets just get that out of the way.

I must have missed that somewhere then, because so far as I understood you seemed to have been saying this entire time you were fine with how it is. In either case, we still disagree on the matter of its potency.

and the aer aren't pure crap.... they are only crap because for high tier players the stats are negligible

These? They are actually good, I don't know why someone would say otherwise.

so you automatically walk into a conversation assuming you can't take me seriously.... do you even know how to discuss matters?

I take you seriously till you start saying things that make no sense and seem completely irrational to me, like with what you are saying here, or for instance in that other thread how you intentionally gimp your damage so you don't pull hate off the tank. Before someone does something like that in a thread I ignore who they are, for instance I looked at a post a couple days ago and saw it was made by PChan, I was amazed I agreed with it, normally his posts are filled with some stupid stuff that he thinks is right, and somehow it must be right because he is uber pro and has an Afterglow, which makes him relevant.

My point was, that when you say things like that, then say mildly nonsensical things like here, it makes it look a little worse to me, because I think about it and I just find it harder to believe that somewhere in this topic where you claim there is a problem, you actually have a point under it all that is hidden from me. Basically, you sounded insane before, and your saying things that look crazy now, so it seems more likely that I should just tally it up to you saying insane things rather than believing there is an underlining point I am failing to grasp.



I do apologies if I seem to come off as an asshole or something, but seriously I fail to understand some of the things you say, not in a lack of comprehension but rather a lack of understanding why you would think what you do. I am not trying to impose some sort of iron thumb on your way to play the game or anything of the sort, but there are standards of which I have come to expect of people, and on top of everything crazy you say, not swapping these legs kind of stood out and made me want to point out to people quickly, maybe this is why it seems like he is talking crazy, maybe you should just drop it and leave it be, this will get no where. In either case, I hope this helps understand where I am coming from, the leg options help, and I am sorry for any offence I cause you with my posts.

[Umichi]

Jingyang hose... you assume i sub sam, I already put all of my haste into my gloves of which after doing said action i stay at a nice and comfy 13% haste. homam... why bother doing outdated content when i already have a piece that far surpasses it.... don't need the mp im a taru and with aquaveil up i shouldn't need fast cast as the spells im casting only take a fraction of a second to 1 second to cast, any other time i can shed hate have my wyvern tank and i can cast haste. Ace's hose.. no thanks I don't like shedding accuracy as a drg. Calmacec i'd say i wanted them in the past but truly they do nothing special for drg unless your looking to min/max and use hypotheticals and force myself into building a specific way other players have done before me. bestia breeches... please explain how they can flat out beat all the stats a drg wants and then some of which kariyeh provides...? Ares flanchard is sexy but it still doesn't provide the raw stats kareyiah provide me and i'd need another piece to make the set bonus possible.......

I never said i'd intentionally gimp my damage.... i said i could revert to white hits and shoot for bigger ws's.... since well if im pulling hate shouldn't i be unthrottling so tank can hold hate? not struggle against it... what if the nm has an ability that procs only when it switches target.... or is not someone that's the tank?

[Umichi]

see the problem here is your expecting everything to come at you from YOUR perspective... which is reasonable but if you truly wish to talk to crazy people you should understand that doing things only from your perspective will not result in positive interactions....

you have not offended me but i do wish you'd come at these conversations with patience.... I'f im making a fool of myself then people only have to break the perception i have willingly given myself but am open to alternatives.... until you debunk everything i have to say with proven facts then these conversations will go on....

[OmnysValefor]

I say this a tank Umichi.

There was a time when DPS that could watch their hate were appreciated. There were several bosses where that was an appreciated, if not necessary, skill.

Unfortunately, the game hasn't been like that in years. No offense, but if most top-end DPS thought like you did, nothing would die.

I love my paladin, but 1, 2, 10, or even 18 of me don't kill fast enough in any gearset to get anything relevant dead.