Adoulin: Scrolls of Instant Protect

[Kaisha]

For 1k Bayld you'd figure it'd have X amount of charges on it. If I had the inventory to spare I'd keep a Pro3-in-a-scroll handy that had 20 some charges or so when I'm off soloing without self-protect means.

Better than having no protect ever since that att-def ratio balance hit.

[Umichi]

Again how did you get said Bayld by doing nothing?

I went on a quest and poof 6k magically appeared in my inventory after completion... of which is shared with no one and impacts no one.

[Zagen]

This is silly, and wrong.

You just said that when you swap out the light-armor feet, or the plate hands (if you happen to TP in those), you've wasted the hp but that's not true. You make a one-second swap to ws harder. Should the healers not heal you back to full? The 40 hp you gain from the pieces can, and has, saved lives, and indirectly, made for a success.

It's common that ws swaps will create 100 hp to cure, in non-hp builds. Healers should still put it back.

+HP on ws-only gear is the only wasted +HP, unless of course it aligns with +HP on tp'ing gear.. but sigh.

Wait which part about that 40 HP being lost isn't true?

I get that a cure, regen, a potion, or some other HP restoring method can regain that HP but I fail to see how it isn't lost until then.

[Zagen]

I went on a quest and poof 6k magically appeared in my inventory after completion... of which is shared with no one and impacts no one.

That quest is called having done something. I said doing nothing, there is a difference.

[Umichi]

i do recall playing a game as doing nothing but entertainment yes? it would be awefully boring if SE just handed me bayld for no reason....

and you didnt adress the last part of what i said it impacts no one and i share it with no one.

[Demon6324236]

ok then what?

I just find that somewhat sad since DRG has a number of options for legs both easy and hard to get which would easily be better for TPing and yet you choose to full time those legs. Besides that I disagree with you on the entirety of this thread because your entire point has been that Bayld is easy to get, well yes, it is, its also boring, but it is not really a good argument in my opinion. I fail to understand why a Scroll of Protect should be at the same potency as a subjob can cast on you while at the same time costing 100 times the price of a Warp Scroll. I could make 1000 Bayld in 10 minutes, I could go solo a Lair Reive, pop 3 Imps on the Couriers and walk to the first place outside of Adoulin and tada, instantly have enough Bayld, but the point is, why should I?

I still fail to understand how this being cheaper would in any way, shape, or form be a bad thing. You have explained no negative impact that I have seen, or believe would truly be a negative thing. I will be honest, I have no intention on ever buying one of these, even if the price were lowered, I would never use it in Adoulin, maybe on my friends character when I do Dynamis on BST, but that is the only case I can think of I might possibly do it.

My point is, its so weak and worthless that it should not cost this much, its like the Ergon things, they cost I think like 40k Bayld and their effects are pure crap, why would anyone bother with them? Simple, they wont, and don't, because they suck, if you are going to put items in a game, make them worth existing, in the case of this Protect, make it worth buying, using, and carrying. Right now, they are worthless to anyone who has a friend or 2k to pay a WHM to cast Protect on them, only 50+% of the players on this game have WHM, RDM, SCH, or PLD leveled to cast Protect V, its hard to find. I would think it would be worth it to have it as 100 Bayld for a Protect V, 100 Bayld for a Shell V, and that would be fine, as it is now, its not worth the cost, if you think it is, awesome, but I think you have a problem rating something value.

[Karbuncle]

I missed the part where a given currency in game just comes out of thin air. You still have to work for it, thus it is comparable to real life currency because that doesn't just come out of thin air either.

While some might find doing X event that gives Y currency fun that doesn't change it from being equatable to work, some people have fun working in real life too.

Its the rate of gain thats in Question, Not that its a job or theres effort required. The comparison is simply silly, nothing more, nothing less. While comparing it to RL currency is possible, what was used was a wrong, and wildly over-the-top exaggeration of the price of said item

[Umichi]

I just find that somewhat sad since DRG has a number of options for legs both easy and hard to get which would easily be better for TPing and yet you choose to full time those legs. Besides that I disagree with you on the entirety of this thread because your entire point has been that Bayld is easy to get, well yes, it is, its also boring, but it is not really a good argument in my opinion. I fail to understand why a Scroll of Protect should be at the same potency as a subjob can cast on you while at the same time costing 100 times the price of a Warp Scroll. I could make 1000 Bayld in 10 minutes, I could go solo a Lair Reive, pop 3 Imps on the Couriers and walk to the first place outside of Adoulin and tada, instantly have enough Bayld, but the point is, why should I?

I still fail to understand how this being cheaper would in any way, shape, or form be a bad thing. You have explained no negative impact that I have seen, or believe would truly be a negative thing. I will be honest, I have no intention on ever buying one of these, even if the price were lowered, I would never use it in Adoulin, maybe on my friends character when I do Dynamis on BST, but that is the only case I can think of I might possibly do it.

My point is, its so weak and worthless that it should not cost this much, its like the Ergon things, they cost I think like 40k Bayld and their effects are pure crap, why would anyone bother with them? Simple, they wont, and don't, because they suck, if you are going to put items in a game, make them worth existing, in the case of this Protect, make it worth buying, using, and carrying. Right now, they are worthless to anyone who has a friend or 2k to pay a WHM to cast Protect on them, only 50+% of the players on this game have WHM, RDM, SCH, or PLD leveled to cast Protect V, its hard to find. I would think it would be worth it to have it as 100 Bayld for a Protect V, 100 Bayld for a Shell V, and that would be fine, as it is now, its not worth the cost, if you think it is, awesome, but I think you have a problem rating something value.

yes well i think the problem here is perspective.... Give me a piece of leg gear for a job that that you spent years playing and spent time customizing the armour to tell me there are better TP pants to tp in.....by whose standards? the elite ruling class of endgamers? who use spreadhseets and min/max damage for full "Hypothetical" potential damage and then says everything else is fail? if not them then please pray tell who in this game can and cannot tell me how i play them game because I'd really like to welcome my new overlords to the game?

[Zagen]

i do recall playing a game as doing nothing but entertainment yes? it would be awefully boring if SE just handed me bayld for no reason....

and you didnt adress the last part of what i said it impacts no one and i share it with no one.

Again finding entertainment in what you're doing doesn't mean it counts as doing nothing, you're still doing something to find that entertainment.

I didn't address your last comment because you still haven't quantified the first part. But I'll indulge you, while the Bayld we generate as individual players has no direct (i say direct because using Bayld to get better gear technically has indirect impacts others you play with but it doesn't affect their individual Bayld) impact on anyone else's Bayld it still impacts our individual Bayld totals.

[Demon6324236]

yes well i think the problem here is perspective.... Give me a piece of leg gear for a job that that you spent years playing and spent time customizing the armour to tell me there are better TP pants to tp in.....by whose standards? the elite ruling class of endgamers? who use spreadhseets and min/max damage for full "Hypothetical" potential damage and then says everything else is fail? if not them then please pray tell who in this game can and cannot tell me how i play them game because I'd really like to welcome my new overlords to the game?

I love how apparently me pointing out that there are better TP legs = forcing you to use different/better gear. Also, awesome job ignoring the entire part that was on topic rather than a direct reply to the quote.