Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

[Hawklaser]

I think, but I'm not sure, that you are making a veiled reference to the new weapons outclassing RME. If that is so, here is where we agree. I don't think SE should have done what they did, adding new weapons that wholesale eclipsed items that took weeks or months to perfect. At best, they should have created a new Magian trial and required X number of Delve items if they wanted to ensure people played their expansion.

If that isn't what you meant, it's a somewhat more complex answer. It's the same principle behind why some people are content to just cap their character to a certain extent and don't strive to perfect the min/maxing. I know some people who farmed easier content like Abyssea to complete their collection while knowing full well that there were other pieces of gear from more difficult events that eclipsed the Abyssea gear. Anyway, we'll see what the rewards are like for the new lowman events.

The RME thing is one of the big reasons right now I don't log in a whole lot and I don't even have one yet. That on top of being a returning player having left right around ACP, and came back just before SoA, created a bit of a gear problem for me. With RME being so wildly outclassed by the Delve weapons, it really kills off desire to work on obtaining a nice weapon. Prior to Delve, I was working on the OAT Lance, and Emp for Dragoon, as a stepping stone until could build a Relic or Mythic. That and when asking people for help frequently being told to ignore Emp. Armor and just get the Bayld ones, which are kinda ugly and don't have as appealing of bonus on them, makes it hard to stay motivated and playing. Yes, I understand not all pieces of Emp. are not the best, but they are good enough to start going after the better ones.

As to people not fully min/maxing a job, perhaps I can give some insight on that. For me, it usually was due to not wanting to farm for hours on end for marginal increases unless that was all that was left, especially if it was a piece of gear only one job could use. I still went for top of the line gear, but when looking at millions for something like 1 extra acc or attack, often there was some other piece that would be a better investment. That on top of the luck reliance on getting a lot of NM items, sometimes it becomes more of a hassle than its worth to min/max everything. That is not even getting into events that take multiple people to do. So often it boiled down to return on investment for me.

So, the outstripping of the big investment items currently kills a lot of motivation to work on anything for me, as that was one big thing besides the community the game used to have that kept me playing, and drew me back after longer breaks. It was rather nice knowing when I started investing in something like a Relic, it would still be up at the top later on. Never expected Relic or Mythic to stay as the very best forever, but due to the amount of investment needed to make them, they should stay relevant. Like if were to divide weapons up into letter ranks, similar to how skills are done, RME and any other significant investment weapons should always be A ranked weapons, sometimes they might be A-, or A+. As the amount of investment they took for some is not something to just toss aside at a whim, especially with as old as the game is.

So for now, I do agree with the OP that the expansion is currently failing. Not because of the content in it, but more due to the radical changes moving it to a more WoW like clone. As good number of people playing, have been fine with little vertical progression for a long time. Its like they used a sword when they needed to use a scalpel with starting these changes, as not inherently against them adding some vertical progression again, but when it comes in leaps and bounds it ends up shrinking the game because very quickly only the newest stuff becomes the only content worth doing. As this brings up the question of how long til we get an expansion similar to WoW's Cataclysm to re-invigorate all the old zones for both new and old players?

[Daemon]

Daemons guide is cool, but everyone can't play WHM and most would rather not.

Before I begin Frankie Im only using your comments to write mine out and in no way attacking you. This post is written out for everyone to read.

I just want to point out something. I never suggested anyone play WHM. Rather than list every single gear set, I only listed Orvail as an example of how Adoulin gear is powerful and relevant to Adoulin content rather than players skipping it trying to show up in delve gimped with Af3.

My guide is not complete and Ive been adding stuff on a daily basis, however I will go back and add more to the first post later when i have time.

Seekers of Adoulin is high level no? Then wouldn't common sense tell you that gear you obtain from Adoulin be made relevant for the zones that were implemented so you can explore the new areas easier? If it wasn't made for that purpose then it wouldn't be there in the first place. It would be under Auction House.

Whether you are playing DD or any job, I stated in my guide that Adoulin gear corrects the issue on Accuracy etc.

Ive noticed people try to make arguments with me when ive already included detailed answers and reasons for the tips i posted. You are clearly not reading over them carefully and It shows when you state things that contradicts the purpose of my advice written when i know i put the answer there for you.

My guide is not wiki, it's not meant for anyone to skip details or quickly glance at it and if its info you already know then this guide obviously wasn't made for you. Read over it carefully.

I agree Delve is easy to do, at least the Plasm farming part. Only the 3 Fracture Boss fights favor large LS, because SE wanted to give something for that contingent. Everything else has begun being adopted by the player community. More and more people are getting their Delve KIs every day. Daemon has made exhaustive threads detailing how this can be accomplished, and there is a lot of good stuff in them.

Thank you for seeing the true side of my guide and thanks for being supportive. Do know that i am reading over posts and seeing so many complaints that I know as fact are irrelevant because you are dealing with a person who has many years of experience in FFXI, have trained and learned many things that people dont know the answer to. Some of you may not like the answers i give you, but that doesnt change the fact that ive given you a solution to the problem. And im not the only person in game to have all this knowledge, Several Veteran players on my server even spoke with me about how nice i am for taking the time to do this for those who are still learning. And they too agree with all of my points and find that my guide can help.

Many of you complain that us high level players dont help anyone anymore. Some have even insisted and insulted me by slapping me with the title "Elitist" without even knowing me. Im giving you the most powerful tool beyond just 1 person helping you for 1 thing in game. Sacrificing almost all of my game time to help the entire community here on the forums. Im covering all the things that you need to know and have done by the time you reach to us who are out there playing end game content.

The difference compared to other sites and wiki, You dont need to find out at the moment and be lost not knowing what to do and waste time. Im showing you all of the things that matter and gathering them in 1 post rather than you be lost. Im also giving you clear walkthroughs on certain details to help you accomplish your goal the fastest way possible. And im being more than modest by responding to your questions to help you giving you way more attention than any dev or community rep has given all of you.

As for the Higher Tier Notorious Monsters, Several People are not listening. All other content is still relevant and needed in order to accomplish wins for these bosses.

Take for example Kurma, even with 500+ Enfeebling magic, +25 INT from INT Gain spell for having 500+ Enhancing, Delve weapon or gear with high Magic Accuracy, Spells still get resisted at about 99%(Note this is not 100% fact to everyone as your build, race or stats maybe different however the resist rate is extremely high). Therefore other jobs with Max Skills and certain abilities are combined to achieve the obstacle of getting resisted. But they too need to have those gear sets, and Maxed skills which Ive stressed so much in my guide already. I gave you the way. Its up to all of you to take the time and analyze my advice, use it, then once you have done everything ive written and if it doesnt work, then make aruguements with me that it didnt. Not because its not fun.

If i put up an article in my guide, it has a valuable purpose. Im not here to waste my time or anyone elses. Im just trying to help you learn the game beyond what some of you only want to see and its very narrowminded so far from the many comments ive read.

And devs most likely know this too and thats why you may feel you are being ignored by them because you cant argue with people who create a game and implement things knowing they have to test it out and make sure that there are no errors, and that there are ways to accomplish defeating the challenge they created before implementing it.

The devs can keep adding in content, make adjustments based on player reactions, but they cannot play the game for you and teach you how to win the challenge they set for you. Otherwise whats the point? The content is there, The items are there, its up to you people to decide if you want to team up and work together in obtaining whats needed. This is why I wrote out a detailed article on Networking. Seriously read it, the way you play the game will totally change if you follow it.

Its not that the content is irrelevant, Its that you people are making it irrelevant by giving up and spreading false information to others motivating and giving others reasons to believe you that it is all because you can't do it.

Again, my post is not directly attacking you or anyone on a personal level, but to those who dont want to see the brightside of things and listen to someone who is trying to help you overcome your problems, why are you still here then? RPG games are not meant to be easy. They are meant for you to study and learn new things, take time in achieving certain power. And yes you need to educate yourself on several topics that are the same things you learn in the real world and even in college.

I cant make the game fun for you, I can only show you how you can accomplish what you wanted to do faster, more effectively and save time however, there should not be any reason to ignore valuable information that can help you achieve power.

Several of you who refuse to listen or take the time to read my guide, follow it and to those who decide they want to come to my post and give me negative snap judgment remarks and poor excuses, you are only showing me that im doing way more things for you than you are doing for yourself, and i dont even know you.

Here is one example of why im pouring out my sweat and blood into this guide for you. I can deal up to 13k damage DDing with scholar doing selfskillchain darkness on Megamaw Mikey and everytime i have a good swarm of players spam checking to see my equipment yet they are not understanding why i can do it with the gear i have on. Im trying to show you how several small details that can add up to greater outcomes makes a difference so you can improve your WS and your character and start learning the true power of your jobs to the fulliest. If i had a magic wand that could give you all the power in a single wave I would but certain power requires alot of work. From gear thats implemented to knowledge of knowing what items, buffs, jobs to help you, and the way you build on top of that is how you reach these accomplishments.

For the time being yes Im only covering basics, but the "hidden" purpose you are not seeing throughout the entire guide is that im trying to teach you, advise you correctly, and help you on how to pay attention to small details because at the end when you follow these tips, the overall outcome of your power will be different than a person who only looked at a gear set posted on FFXIAH and think that just having that matters.

And if you do not take the time to even learn the basics down to every possible detail first, then you will never get it.

This is why when I saw the Dev say that these bosses can be defeated in 15 minutes with the proper gear, strategy, party setup and jobs that if you cant do it, you may need to go back and work on these things, I know exactly what they are talking about. Rather seeing defeat and learning from it and just ending it because you "Think" you can't, try looking at other peoples comments, read and learn from others who are trying to tell you its possible. We are not making these things up to give you some kind of false hope.

Friends? You cannot expect to join any party assuming that everyone in that party is your best friend. Its your job to make friends and get to know people on a personal level so you can do stuff together more frequently. Most of the parties you see are based on a circle of friends who already know each other in game or beyond the game. And this is one of the reasons why you are not getting invited. Again stressing it more than i should have to: READ MY NETWORKING GUIDE.

As for REM, they are still good and can serve different purposes allowing you to do different things that Delve weapons cannot. Whats blinding all of you is that you are so narrow minded on only seeing the damage and stats. And only caring how much damage you can do with a "Merit weaponskill."

Here is the perfect example of your narrowminded judgment.

Yagrush
(Club) All Races
DMG: 74 Delay: 267 Magic Accuracy +25
Enhances "Divine Veil" effect
Enhances "Divine Benison" effect III
"Mystic Boon"
Aftermath: Increases Acc./Magic Acc.
Occasionally attacks twice or thrice
Lv. 99 WHM


Damage Per Second: 16.63
TP Per Hit: 7%
Enhances "Divine Veil" effect
Spells have the Divine Veil effect without Divine Seal being active.
Works on alliance members outside party.
Enhances "Divine Benison" effect III

Hidden Effect
Increases Mystic Boon damage by 30%.

Noticed the bold letters? Spells have the Divine Veil effect without Divine Seal Active?

What about the description under that? "Works on Alliance members outside party"

Just these 2 points alone makes this Mythic weapon worth getting.

Even mystic boon alone is powerful, yet you are given an increase of 30% more damage so you can gain more mp back. Do you really want to waste all that time making an accuracy path delve weapon when you can have this with +25 Magic Accuracy and other beneficial stats that offers more?Yeah sure Delve weapon can be earned faster, but then once you get this, you most likely wont even bother making the effort to quest anything else.

And when ever do you see a WHM get hired to DD?

Need i say more??


So for those of you saying REM is worthless, I just proved that your statement is irrelevant and misleading. And this is why earlier i said that your actions effect the entire community and once a negative idea floats in the air, people feed on to it like fire and then everyone starts assuming that these statements are fact, and now motivation of other players are ruined and thats why everyone is sitting in town bored all day fretting, complaining and harassing the devs over negative information that is not true only to serve yourself and others around you a purpose to not get anything done at all. While at the same time encouraging others to believe your false statements through /yell in town rather than be responsible and have respect to those who do not see your points as valid.


Now that ive shown you the importance of paying attention to small details, lets see you go back and re-observe the other items from different content and then come back and complain.

[Oddwaffle]

@Daemon: I think you are mistaken about REM. When people talk about REM, it has more to do with the items that damage dealers use rather than a mage REM. Mages can swap weapons as they are needed but DD can not do so. So, it doesn't really matter what kind of utility a weapon can do a DD. If you have another weapon that is vastly stronger in raw power then a DD will have to abandon their favorite weapon and go with the new weapon. You can easily see DD start equipping Delve weapons and less and less people are using REM. What's going on? As you said, REM should still be 'effective' but why aren't people using them?

Imagine you have to use only 1 weapon as a Whm and suppose that swapping weapons will prevent you from doing anything for 10sec. You will be split between using a cure potency weapon or sticking with yagrush. Would you still put all your efforts into making yagrush?

The problem isn't about how hard Delve is. It's about efforts and time and preference. SE doesn't make alternatives for Delve. There is no other option. Win Delve KI and battles or stay in your mog house. SE is trying to fix it by making Skirmish v2. Their mistake this time is making Skirmish v2 reward less powerful than Delve content. Let's face it, low-man content is all about luck. You either get the drop or you get nothing. SE has been trying to change that into a process that takes weeks or months (salvage, NNI) if you sort of failed to win the luck battle. However, since very few people doing Skirmish V1, it will be difficult to have people doing Skirmish v2. Why would people want to do Skirmish v2 when they can do something else and buy their KI/win on mega boss for better equipments?

Of course it would greatly depends on how easy it is to obtain your equipments in skirmish v2. However, considering how SE is setting this up, you will have to have certain sets of equipments from v1 and certainly some other equipments from other events before you can compete in Skirmish v2. What happen to people who doesn't want to join a large LS or alliance?

[Daemon]

@Daemon: I think you are mistaken about REM. When people talk about REM, it has more to do with the items that damage dealers use rather than a mage REM. Mages can swap weapons as they are needed but DD can not do so. So, it doesn't really matter what kind of utility a weapon can do a DD. If you have another weapon that is vastly stronger in raw power then a DD will have to abandon their favorite weapon and go with the new weapon. You can easily see DD start equipping Delve weapons and less and less people are using REM. What's going on? As you said, REM should still be 'effective' but why aren't people using them?

Imagine you have to use only 1 weapon as a Whm and suppose that swapping weapons will prevent you from doing anything for 10sec. You will be split between using a cure potency weapon or sticking with yagrush. Would you still put all your efforts into making yagrush?

The problem isn't about how hard Delve is. It's about efforts and time and preference. SE doesn't make alternatives for Delve. There is no other option. Win Delve KI and battles or stay in your mog house. SE is trying to fix it by making Skirmish v2. Their mistake this time is making Skirmish v2 reward less powerful than Delve content. Let's face it, low-man content is all about luck. You either get the drop or you get nothing. SE has been trying to change that into a process that takes weeks or months (salvage, NNI) if you sort of failed to win the luck battle. However, since very few people doing Skirmish V1, it will be difficult to have people doing Skirmish v2. Why would people want to do Skirmish v2 when they can do something else and buy their KI/win on mega boss for better equipments?

Of course it would greatly depends on how easy it is to obtain your equipments in skirmish v2. However, considering how SE is setting this up, you will have to have certain sets of equipments from v1 and certainly some other equipments from other events before you can compete in Skirmish v2. What happen to people who doesn't want to join a large LS or alliance?

My point about REM, is that people need to becareful when making posts and say REM as if its every single item.. if DD have something to complain about they should be stating the name of the item and talking about that one item instead of generalizing because a good portion of players base belief on hearsay especially to players who dont even own an REM.

Imagine how many people who were thinking about making one now have the belief that its worthless because so many people say it that way?

And its not just REM, its other things like people saying "You need a delve weapon to earn a delve weapon"

You cannot seperate people who have delve weapons completely from people who don't have them, thats like saying No person who owns a delve weapon will ever help us. That includes all other things, which i dont see how it would be impossible to ask a friend with a delve weapon to help you achieve certain goals from older content. In fact I see that as a benefit in saving time by completing your objective faster.

So no REM people helped those who didnt have REM for anything at all? Im pretty sure people with such powerful items would want to show off to others who dont have it. Its a power ego thing.

SE has already stated that they will upgrade REM in the near future, yet you still see people in town shouting how pointless and worthless it is to even make one because delve weapons are better... This again is misleading...

Rather than see the bright side of things, negativity is floating across the entire game and giving people no motivation to do stuff.. I myself almost fell into believing the majority of what others were saying until i started writing out the guide and taking a closer look at some of the complaints to help answer those needing a solution.

Yeah Ive seen comments about how Sky, Legion and all other content is now irrelevant.. So this is why i made that entire post.

And my main example from that is people need to take a closer look before they start spreading false information.

As for your example us mages do infact have to switch weapons such as scholar who uses Adloquium for TP regain in order to use Hvelgamir "Myrkr". Plenitas Virga might be used for stunners who dont have EMP Thunder path magian staff due to having some Haste with Arbuda Grip. We also switch over to Terra staff for pdt and Magian for Curepotency, Sky Kirin pole for Augmented Enhancing +10-12 for embrava, theres staff for mp recovery, Zammzummin staff for landing gravity, Soothsayer for MAB which btw Shattersoul and Omniscience could play a good role in Delve T5 strategic battles.

DD use tp for Damage, mages use tp for mp which is the reason to keep those DD alive.. For Yagrush, well you need TP to deal damage in order to use Mystic boon to recover MP.

Mages are not as simple as people think, I believe we have way more gear sets than any DD. Unless you are partying with a mage who knows nothing about the basics of many of the things ive written in my guide in General Discussions titled "Invitation to Plasm Farming"

You really should read my guide on Networking also. Because most likely if you make friends with the right people, they can help you participate in events with them.

Ive invited several of my friends on my list to do stuff on many occassions as first priortiy why? Because they are people i know personally and have done stuff together doing other events. So when Adoulin expansion was first launched we all messaged each other and made a group to explore the content together..

This is the biggest problem in FFXI and in many games, you cannot expect anyone to know you and you cannot expect them to invite you unless you build a friendship with people on a personal level.

Because if you click well while doing static events such as assault together and enjoyed the time partying with that person to the point where you feel like he/she such a cool person to hang out with. Im sure you will want to do other stuff in game as well.

Observing your example of taking 10 seconds switching sounds like you dont use macros... You can switch gear very quickly and do you know how powerful Yagrush is? >.>

I made skadi boots in few days... How is this based only on luck? Ive also stated that i dont believe in luck, I believe in consistency and there are other factors i could spend all day writing to you but its way to complicated to go over. Are you going with a Thief? If everyone could get every single rare in 1 drop, then Im sure no one would be left on the server anymore playing because there would be no goals to further accomplish..

Yeah took me 3 months to get Tocis armor, and Ive yet to get 1 coruscanti after 2k tries... But then im not focused on just 1 item. I try my luck at several items and hope of obtaining atleast 1 of the items i want on my list...


If you only focus on 1 item, then that is only going to leave you with dissapointment.

[Mahoro]

However, since very few people doing Skirmish V1, it will be difficult to have people doing Skirmish v2. Why would people want to do Skirmish v2 when they can do something else and buy their KI/win on mega boss for better equipments?

Of course it would greatly depends on how easy it is to obtain your equipments in skirmish v2. However, considering how SE is setting this up, you will have to have certain sets of equipments from v1 and certainly some other equipments from other events before you can compete in Skirmish v2. What happen to people who doesn't want to join a large LS or alliance?

They cap out as best they can on lowman events. For example, in order to obtain Voidwatch equipment, you had to join an alliance. If a particular player does not wish to join any alliance, then certain content will be inaccessible. There has been 18-man content since close to the launch of this game a decade ago. This aspect of the game is not new. It is like asking why the sky is blue.

[Daemon]

Why would people want to do Skirmish v2 when they can do something else and buy their KI/win on mega boss for better equipments?

Actually i think i read somewhere that Skirmish weapons "Could" possibly outstat REM with the right augments therefore this is one optional reason why people would want to do this over REM since those quests can take longer due hardcore restrictions. Like Dyna is limited to once per day, Emp have Several NM phases, and Mythic lets not even go there lol... As if collecting 30k alex is not hardcore enough....

[Hawklaser]

SE has already stated that they will upgrade REM in the near future, yet you still see people in town shouting how pointless and worthless it is to even make one because delve weapons are better... This again is misleading...

It's one thing for SE to say they are going to do something, and them actually doing it. Cait Sith is a great example of this. So I would not be surprised if a lot of people not wanting to work on making an RME right now have taken a stance similar to me. Which is the RME update is not to be counted on until it shows up in an actual patch announcement like what is found here. http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...63/detail.html

Coupled with the fact they have hinted at there is going to be higher content levels released, and they do not want to do multiple updates to RME, makes it hard to justify investing heavily in one until have a better idea of where they are going to end up.

[Alpheus]

Yeah even though SE announced a number of things I still don't give them credit cuz well they say a lot of things. And they have only themselves to blame cuz this is the reputation and impression they leave their playerbase with.

[Daemon]

It's one thing for SE to say they are going to do something, and them actually doing it. Cait Sith is a great example of this. So I would not be surprised if a lot of people not wanting to work on making an RME right now have taken a stance similar to me. Which is the RME update is not to be counted on until it shows up in an actual patch announcement like what is found here. http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...63/detail.html

Coupled with the fact they have hinted at there is going to be higher content levels released, and they do not want to do multiple updates to RME, makes it hard to justify investing heavily in one until have a better idea of where they are going to end up.

SE didn't have almost the majority of the player base rage quit in angry, upset, dissapointed, Arms in the air flailing, Fat lady almost sing, Recorded and put on Americas unsoved mysteries with exclusive reruns, brought up on Judge Judy, Jerry Springer and The tonight show, oh and I think Ms Swan made a debut comeback episode on Mad TV for this one special occassion yu nooo? Teh meta ting? It looky like um.. Yu kno ok... Wut u smilin fo smiley boi??
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ge-then-relics

Compared to the Avatar topic you brought up.

[Hawklaser]

SE didn't have almost the majority of the player base rage quit in angry, upset, dissapointed, Arms in the air flailing, Fat lady almost sing, Recorded and put on Americas unsoved mysteries with exclusive reruns, brought up on Judge Judy, Jerry Springer and The tonight show, oh and I think Ms Swan made a debut comeback episode on Mad TV for this one special occassion yu nooo? Teh meta ting? It looky like um.. Yu kno ok... Wut u smilin fo smiley boi??
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ge-then-relics

Compared to the Avatar topic you brought up.

I understand more are upset about RME than Cait Sith, the point was SE has been developing a track record of not following through with what they say on a timely basis. Which makes it hard to count on something like RME updates coming at a time when they are needed instead of being too late to really matter any more.