Wake up, "Seekers" is failing

[detlef]

Right now, if you don't have a group that's capable of tackling delve fracture mega bosses, I don't see how the game is very fun right now.

[Mahoro]

The reality is that most people cannot do that so they do stand around waiting for an invite. You can call them lazy or stupid or whatever suits your mood, but if they get tired of standing around and leave then it probably will hurt you more than them.

What is stopping them?

[FrankReynolds]

What is stopping them?

They're shy, their stupid, their morally opposed, they just don't have time? I don't know why people work at Walmart or McDonald's instead of being brain surgeons and movie stars. They just do.

It doesn't matter why. You can't change them. You can only change the game. They need to find a middle ground to keep the movers and shakers happy as well as the hapless layabouts and everyone in between. They are far from that right now.

[OmnysValefor]

Everyone always focuses on killing faster, but slow and steady can sometimes win the race more easily. suicidal zergs are fun and usually work but finesse, which is often lost on today's players, can make some fights a less stressful experience.

Slow and steady doesn't win the race when you have 6 formidable opponents that must be killed within 45 minutes. Ok, 5, Matamata doesn't count. I've seen a video now of a group killing all 6 bosses in 30 minutes (they did it 3x in a row). That 30 minutes does allow for the possibility that something might screw up, a key person dc, etc etc, and they might wipe once. 5 minutes to recover, and take another go.

As an Aegis/Ochain, I gotta acknowledge the fact that slow and steady is stupid. Having me in the alliance means I can laugh at Firaga V, but it doesn't mean *anything* for the rest of the alliance. All my presence means is that the healers are safe from a wipe, if that happens. SE doesn't give us the tools right now to do slow and steady.

Truthfully, it doesn't even mean that, it's probably easier to just wipe it up, since there's no group trying to claim off you in Delve, and everyone reraise than for the healers try to simultaneously raise the DD *and* keep me alive.

They made the great enmity update and broke it the very next update with the delve weapons.

With that patch, they effectively sent the playerbase the message: zerging is what you're supposed to be doing. We know hate is broken, and that's alright by us.

GEO has one thing going for it which makes it useful, the fact that it can debuff some enemies that can't easily be debuffed any other way. I think the technical issues and the things that are being addressed by the next patch kind of overshadow the fact that GEO can actually be put to some reasonable use.

Easily? Try "can't", period. It also provides unique debuffs, and in the case of mobs that an rdm can debuff, the effects stack. RDM merely enhances the value of GEO.

Of all things, why did [GEO/RDM AF being released at 99] turn you off? Do you really want to walk all over a bunch of easy quests to get oyur job's trademark gear? Do you really want to spend all the time grinding to upgrade them before they beocme useful? Do you really want to do level 40-50 stuff in a level 99+ area?

Honestly, this move makes sense. if it wasn't unfair to everyone who hasn't already completed all the other job's AF quests and done the upgrades, i'd say they should all be changed to be like this. It's a little weird that the AF will be the higher tier of job armor for these jobs, but I'll take it if it means relevant gear with good stats.

^ I agree here. Who wants a piece that's merely a macro piece? Some of RUN's AF may well be good tp pieces, or for tanking. I'd much rather that than the 10-15 most jobs either A) have no use for or B) merely use for split-second swaps.

[Daemon]

Honestly I've seen so many negative comments from people talking as if they know Delve like the back of their hand yet they are complaining that the can't get invited because they didn't even have AF3 +2 yet? Is it me or am I the only one here that's not on drugs?

Then I see players complaining they waited all day to get invited but didn't have enough people so they are pissed and now rage quitting because they say its SE's Fault that Delve destroyed the game? Am I the only person not on drugs?

I lead parties all the time. I've made groups for Reives, Seal hunts, VW, WoE, Exp parties and yet I've had no problems so I'm not understanding what other people are talking about?

I barely play delve as I've been having so much fun in WoE earning the gil to buy all of my Airelixers+1 to upgrade my gear because Im so bored of spending 2 hours plus waiting to get a Delve group party made (Lack of Bards/Cor). then we gotta walk to Morier Basalt Fields yay it's just so much fun I could just die... and all because no one reives so we gotta spend about 30-45 Minutes killing each reive in our path, I think I afkd once and ran to burgerking ordered my meal and came back and the group was still going at it... Which is about 2-3 in our way before our group can reach the place where leader enters us in. Then of course waiting 5 minutes trying to get the entire group to pay attention so the leader can take another 5 minutes to run us through on which groups goes which way...

Seriously? Delve is not all that some of you so overwhelmingly make it out to be. Our LS only does it 1-2 times a week as an event. And SE doesn't play the game for you. It's the players who play the game. You don't need Delve weapons to make friends. You don't need a delve weapon to make a party. You don't need a delve weapon to make a VW event nor do you need a delve weapon to do other stuff in game.

Because that's exactly how I'm observing some people's attitudes. Should I just add /befriend delveweapon on my Friendslist?

For those of you who are so misguided and clueless.. Stop being so negative and lazy and make up your own events, there's way more fun things to do than Delve. Go work on your Magian trials, Emp, mythic, NNI climbs and salvage, WOE is way too fun. And atleast not only do I have 15 different bosses to choose from, I can make so much gil to help me work on buying those azdaja pops and offer for free the +2s and seals.

We only had a couple of people with EMP, and like 2 people with Relic 99 in our first delve party. So to say "only delve weapon" can do it is either drug abuse or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

[FrankReynolds]

Honestly I've seen so many negative comments from people talking as if they know Delve like the back of their hand yet they are complaining that the can't get invited because they didn't even have AF3 +2 yet? Is it me or am I the only one here that's not on drugs?

Then I see players complaining they waited all day to get invited but didn't have enough people so they are pissed and now rage quitting because they say its SE's Fault that Delve destroyed the game? Am I the only person not on drugs?

I lead parties all the time. I've made groups for Reives, Seal hunts, VW, WoE, Exp parties and yet I've had no problems so I'm not understanding what other people are talking about?

I barely play delve as I've been having so much fun in WoE earning the gil to buy all of my Airelixers+1 to upgrade my gear because Im so bored of spending 2 hours plus waiting to get a Delve group party made (Lack of Bards/Cor). then we gotta walk to Morier Basalt Fields yay it's just so much fun I could just die... and all because no one reives so we gotta spend about 30-45 Minutes killing each reive in our path, I think I afkd once and ran to burgerking ordered my meal and came back and the group was still going at it... Which is about 2-3 in our way before our group can reach the place where leader enters us in. Then of course waiting 5 minutes trying to get the entire group to pay attention so the leader can take another 5 minutes to run us through on which groups goes which way...

Seriously? Delve is not all that you so overwhelmingly make it out to be. Or LS oh does it 1-2 times a week as an event. And SE doesn't play the game for you. It's the players who play the game. You don't need Delve weapons to make friends. You don't need a delve weapon to make a party. You don't need a delve weapon to make a VW event nor do you need a delve weapon to do other stuff in game.

Because that's exactly how I'm observing some people's attitudes. Should I just add /befriend delveweapon on my Friendslist?

For those of you who are so misguided and clueless.. Stop being so negative and lazy and make up your own events, there's way more fun things to do than Delve. Go work on your Magian trials, Emp, mythic, NNI climbs and salvage, WOE is way too fun. And atleast not only do I have 15 different bosses to choose from, I can make so much gil to help me work on buying those azdaja pops and offer for free the +2s and seals.

We only had a couple of people with EMP, and like 2 people with Relic 99 in outlet first delve party. So to say "only delve weapon" can do it is either drug abuse or someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

Good for you. For every one of you, there are 50 who just can't get in the groove. It may be Real life issues like a job or a family, it may be laziness, it may be that they have mechanical bees swarming around their heads. It doesn't matter. They just don't get it and the game needs them to get it.

If it makes you feel better, call them stupid or misguided or lazy or noobs or whatever makes your epeen rise, but just know that You are screwing yourself and everyone else by doing so.

[Daemon]

Good for you. For every one of you, there are 50 who just can't get in the groove. It may be Real life issues like a job or a family, it may be laziness, it may be that they have mechanical bees swarming around their heads. It doesn't matter. They just don't get it and the game needs them to get it.

If it makes you feel better, call them stupid or misguided or lazy or noobs or whatever makes your epeen rise, but just know that You are screwing yourself and everyone else by doing so.

I never called anyone misguided or lazy because they might have issues with irl stuff or can't play whatever. I said that to those who are talking about delve as if they know it like the back of their hand yet complain they can't even get an invite.

Huge difference compared to how you make me sound.

1 of me... Yeah real nice. I don't even like delve. And I'm sitting here trying to tell everyone that there's more to the game than this one topic everyone is just so caught up to death in.

[FrankReynolds]

I never called anyone misguided or lazy because they might have issues with irl stuff or can't play whatever. I said that to those who are talking about delve as if they know it like the back of their hand yet complain they can't even get an invite.

Huge difference compared to how you make me sound.

1 of me... Yeah real nice. I don't even like delve. And I'm sitting here trying to tell everyone that there's more to the game than this one topic everyone is just so caught up to death in.

Yeah, your attitude was real friendly like. I just made you sound like a bad guy...

[Daemon]

Yeah, your attitude was real friendly like. I just made you sound like a bad guy...

You did indeed because I'm only talking to those who are being negative thinking Delve is the only thing that matters when it's not.

[Karah]

You did indeed because I'm only talking to those who are being negative thinking Delve is the only thing that matters when it's not.

Actually, it literally is. Seen the colonization rates lately? Seen the Campaign map lately?
How long has it been since your server lost the candy in besieged?

I know I'm going to get banned again for saying this, but a few people will see it.

The disconnect isn't between the good and bad players, it's between douchebags and the not good enough to play with douchebags, then there's the good enough but unwilling to play with douchebags.

There's 2 groups and only two that are doing delve on my server, they're populated with really good players and like 3-4 complete scum.

I might be the only one with integrity left, but people used to dislike people, and they didn't talk about it, then grit their teeth and go with them anyway just because.

We've been left with no reasonable options, big linkshells died for a reason. They needed to stay dead. Not be resurrected.

Their are no longer the caliber players capable (at least here) to make big content work. Maybe if you merged EVERY server together, there might one or two worthwhile groups of people that are getting things done, but it completely fails right now.

There are more gimps/noobs/clueless people with Oatixur in 1 month, than there ever was with verethragna over the 3 years it has been available.