New Requirement for plasm farming groups to help those who dont have it.

[Daemon]

The difficulty with delve is that people are skipping his tiers because they want their new shiney now

Exactly. 110% have to agree with this

[Daemon]

That's my point though, I have seen people shouting for Delve DDs only for Morta, Prov Watcher, and even 1 for Qilin, its messed up. I can understand something like NNI which was hard before and made much harder without Embrava or Delve weapons, but something like VW... is a joke.

I joined and spammed Morta a few days ago, the person shouting never asked for Delve DDs... and PW we never did it with Delve weapons either.

Note: with 3 displacers PW was dead in less than 5 minutes. Leaders usually willing to pay for these as I've seen some amazing good hearted leaders who are not only honest but serve purpose to helping those who haven't done PW before. The parties I've joined leaders always made sure others properly received the items they put down in comment.

[Oddwaffle]

Wouldn't it save everyone the trouble if SE just introduce more AH gears that are comparable to skirmish and lower tier delve gear? The whole reason for rare/ex gear is for the 'not everyone can have it' and 'reward for your effort' and yes they managed to get that. Now everyone needs those rare/ex gear to participate before getting the reward then there should be AH options that are not so rare that nobody would sell them for less than millions of gil.

I'm not saying we need comparable gear in AH but something that can be acceptable. They can make enchanted weapon that are normally not powerful but can be used to temporary enhance their power for people to be as effective as those with delve weapons. This would revive the dead art of crafting weapons. People will have to keep working towards the delve weapons because they don't want to spend tons of money on temporary enchanted weapons.

[Daemon]

Wouldn't it save everyone the trouble if SE just introduce more AH gears that are comparable to skirmish and lower tier delve gear? The whole reason for rare/ex gear is for the 'not everyone can have it' and 'reward for your effort' and yes they managed to get that. Now everyone needs those rare/ex gear to participate before getting the reward then there should be AH options that are not so rare that nobody would sell them for less than millions of gil.

I'm not saying we need comparable gear in AH but something that can be acceptable. They can make enchanted weapon that are normally not powerful but can be used to temporary enhance their power for people to be as effective as those with delve weapons. This would revive the dead art of crafting weapons. People will have to keep working towards the delve weapons because they don't want to spend tons of money on temporary enchanted weapons.

I think SE should have added more storyline and quests that you have to complete in order obtain access to other parts of SoA. That would allow players to follow the tier design concept. Kinda late now though.

[Demon6324236]

I joined and spammed Morta a few days ago, the person shouting never asked for Delve DDs... and PW we never did it with Delve weapons either.

Not saying all, but some.

[Glamdring]

That doesn't make sense. People would only end up killing VW bosses too fast before capping light. Look at Celaeno? Maybe I can understand for Bismark, Qilin is not hard just like a good majority of VW bosses.

considering you can't get the idiots to lay off their 5k+ WS in Dynamis when you still need procs what makes you think they even care if they kill too fast?

[Daemon]

Not saying all, but some.

And that can't be avoided because now that these new items are in circulation it has become part of the game. VW is not hard and it's very easy to make your own party for this.

Now what I've seen in Jeuno was a good majority of people mocking others who put DREM in their shouts for lower lvl content such as Old Nyzul superclimb followed by others saying Delve only plz in thier VW, Meebles, GoV Lvl 20+ Delve Onri plz

EDIT: And by the way people are complaining that not many people are willing to do VW anymore because of Delve. So I'm pretty sure no one can afford to be picky at this moment.

[Glamdring]

Wouldn't it save everyone the trouble if SE just introduce more AH gears that are comparable to skirmish and lower tier delve gear? The whole reason for rare/ex gear is for the 'not everyone can have it' and 'reward for your effort' and yes they managed to get that. Now everyone needs those rare/ex gear to participate before getting the reward then there should be AH options that are not so rare that nobody would sell them for less than millions of gil.

I'm not saying we need comparable gear in AH but something that can be acceptable. They can make enchanted weapon that are normally not powerful but can be used to temporary enhance their power for people to be as effective as those with delve weapons. This would revive the dead art of crafting weapons. People will have to keep working towards the delve weapons because they don't want to spend tons of money on temporary enchanted weapons.

I did a long rant on this subject awhile back, but the gist is that at 75 there were multiple end-game options depending on your playstyle with sidegrade rewards and the only real gap was CRAFTED GEAR for those who would rather farm and buy than fight in killer fights. That used to be one of the strengths of the game-actually it had to be with all the HNMLS mobs being the property of a few closed shells so it simply wasn't available to most players. Aby pretty much killed that. Eventually they added VW that made a couple options, then they added Limbus, Nyzul 2.0, salvage 2.0, Dynamis 2.0, great, lots of options again. Then they added SoA and all that gear is on the scrapheap again-maybe a couple macro pieces, and of course Thf needs their TH stuff-but for the most part the gear is just too weak for the new content. But you can skip all the old stuff, aby-burn to 99, get some reive gears and then jump inot some hard-but doable-Delve with a mixed party-if you can find one.

I agree with you though, AH gear NEEDS a fix, anything else is just a big kick in the 'nads to anyone that levelled their crafting or even synergy up... unless they are making beast consumables crafting is pretty much dead. Oh, nin tools as well.

[Daemon]

considering you can't get the idiots to lay off their 5k+ WS in Dynamis when you still need procs what makes you think they even care if they kill too fast?

Well I've even said in some recent VW parties that people need to take off their delve weapons and not kill too fast because we still need to cap lights. My point was I haven't seen anyone seriously shout Delve DD only please for VW. Only shouts I've seen we're sarcastic shouts to mock certain people at the time who were seriously asking for DREM for low level content such as Old Nyzul 1-100 Superclimb.

Personally if I'm leading the VW party I'd never ask for DREM as VW is not about killing fast but getting Procs in.

[svengalis]

I don't have have R/M/E/D weapon, so I can't a dd spot for delve, I have bard and white mage leveled to 99, but I don't have full AF3 gears for white mage, or the Empy harp for bard, and have been turned down everytime I have tried to get in on a group with them, because it is easy to get players that have that. I don't have Corsair leveled, because I don't enjoy playing the job, I don't have a relic or empy shield, so that's a nogo for paladin, and that's about it, I haven't been able to get in on a single delve group yet, call it bad luck or whatever you want, but I am now just burning time in between FFXIV beta runs. I won't even think about resubbing once I can sub FFXIV, part is that is such a better game, but I could sub both if they were both fun, but XI isn't fun now thanks to the players. I got in on a merit party today killing worms in Abyssea, and the whole time some prick was going on and on about how even the ones that were killing worms were leeching because "those scrubs didn't have a delve weapon." The players of this game is the biggest reason I won't be resubbing, and I have a feeling that I am just one of many.

Sometimes you just got to put those players in their place and just say something to them. I would say come to phoenix but we have our fair share of pricks here to. Just got to know who to play with and who not to play with.