New Requirement for plasm farming groups to help those who dont have it.

[Daemon]

Not really, just like before Delve weapons, we PD zerg them down if we want to. Its how I killed AV for the Atma before, just go in with the normal setup, DD+DD+DD+BRD+COR+SMN in each party, buff up fully, swaps, pop PD, kill. That's for AV. For PW its easier, just need DD+DD+PLD+WHM+BRD+SMN and you can 6 man it, DDs kill off the real PW while the PLD holds the kids, BRD keeps up songs, WHM keeps everyone alive, and SMN uses PD when the final form is about to pop, then you zerg down the last form quickly and walk away happy.

I still believe it will be interesting, maybe we will see Pchan do a 3 man party for this ^_^. Plus Geomancer and Rune might have interesting roles to play.

[Olor]

People think Delve is meant to be beaten overnight when clearly "End Game" in every game and not just FFXI is designed for players who are done with everything else and wants a challenge with all the best gears they have acquired, collected and skills they have practiced, strategies they have developed before entering such high end content.

The problem with this is in FFXI, unlike end game in other MMO, people often won't let you do the stuff that came out before the latest endgame if you aren't geared from current endgame. Sorry, I've seen an awful lot of "NNI floor 100 do you need it? 4/6 Delve DD PST" shouts lately.

[Demon6324236]

NNI was a pain before Delve weapons, with the changes made and the loss of Embrava, many people think its impossible without. Admittedly that is one case where the event rules changed with the update, and is more understandable, now things like VW... that is when it becomes stupid.

[Glamdring]

Ignorance is bliss. Just because you aren't willing to do that doesn't mean others don't already do that.

I have 2 accounts, my other account is 3/6 on Delve KIs and has 0 Delve gear/weapons and still functions as a WHM or BRD, in many cases better than ones I've seen doing plasm farm runs via shout groups. I can think of 4 players in my LS who also have a 2nd account and we're a social LS that plays around in endgame via shout groups.

no ignorance involved, I know all about the benefits of DB. On the other hand, I also know about the benefits of paying my bills, keeping my relic of a car running, etc. Buying a 2nd computer (even though I plan on buying a new one in the next couple months), a 2nd set of software and content IDs so I can solo with a 2nd character simply isn't a viable choice; I'd rather spend my few discretionary $ I'm not already spending on Glam on a good book/tunes, etc for when I'm not in the mood.

[Glamdring]

well, in the case of Delve Matsui has already told us what his idea is, a tiered Reward system for all of SoA where you earn reive gear, use it to beat skirmish and use that to beat delve. The difficulty with delve is that people are skipping his tiers because they want their new shiney now and not after covering his intervening steps. Remember, at 1st there was no plan to make your R/M/E adequate to the task until people (legitimately) complained about the months/years of their life wasted on earning these trophy items only to essentially start over-and they are still taking their sweet-ass time with the fix.

Problem is, this is just more grind. Now, I understand that with the characters hard-capped at 99 any progression has to be thrown on something else and since so many were only playing for gear and high numbers on their DPS parser, leveling gear was the logical place to go. BUT IT'S GRIND! People are getting damn sick of grind for everything, especially when grinding for 1 reward precludes you from grinding for another unless you increase your playtime, and for many of us-especially those with real life obligations-that simply isn't an option (children don't raise themselves, the electric bill doesn't pay itself, you get the idea). SE's people are working there, presumably it isn't for the privledge of more work but to provide for their families and the things they WANT to do in life, take a clue from their lives and design your content-and its rewards-accordingly.

Seriously, this game is 11 years old, even those who started out playing as kids in their parents house are mostly out in the real world with real world obligations and all that entails. Do you honestly believe we all have 50+ hours a week to devote to grinding for gear?

[Doombringer]

i understand how endgame can be (or at least appear) impenetrable. but i really dislike the OPs suggestion. it feels clunky and forced, and probably impossible to implement anyway.

i also understand the frustration of having to grind out event A to get gear you KNOW will be obsolete within a month of you getting it, since you only got it to access event B.

but at the same time, why should strangers be forced to carry me through the endgame? even if someone is feeling benevolent, why wouldn't they help their friends or LSmates instead of a stranger?

try to look at the game as "having fun with your buddies against an appropriate challenge" that way the time spent grinding your way into delve won't feel wasted.


or hang out for a while. once delve gets easier, people will likely relax their standards. but you might as well be doing something in that time, right? of course by then there will be some NEW event we all wanna do and we'll actually just be farther away from "good enough"

[Demon6324236]

once delve gets easier, people will likely relax their standards.

People shout for VW asking for Delve DDs only, I can not believe that people will relax them enough, never do.

[Daemon]

People shout for VW asking for Delve DDs only, I can not believe that people will relax them enough, never do.

That doesn't make sense. People would only end up killing VW bosses too fast before capping light. Look at Celaeno? Maybe I can understand for Bismark, Qilin is not hard just like a good majority of VW bosses.

[Daemon]

The problem with this is in FFXI, unlike end game in other MMO, people often won't let you do the stuff that came out before the latest endgame if you aren't geared from current endgame. Sorry, I've seen an awful lot of "NNI floor 100 do you need it? 4/6 Delve DD PST" shouts lately.

You probably didn't read my old post. People can do colonization Rieves and buy Adoulin gear which should give you enough decent stats to join Plasm parties. You can also join parties to obtain Ki but need to pay attention to shouts or know people who can get you into these parties. Everything is about networking.

You can earn enough plasm in 1 day to buy a delve weapon. When you can't find a party then you can kill stuff and earn it off shards.

Lol NNI I can understand why people would want delve weapons especially on higher floors with Kill All objectives. It's not easy reaching floor 100 if your jumps are bad.

[Demon6324236]

That doesn't make sense. People would only end up killing VW bosses too fast before capping light. Look at Celaeno? Maybe I can understand for Bismark, Qilin is not hard just like a good majority of VW bosses.

That's my point though, I have seen people shouting for Delve DDs only for Morta, Prov Watcher, and even 1 for Qilin, its messed up. I can understand something like NNI which was hard before and made much harder without Embrava or Delve weapons, but something like VW... is a joke.