New Requirement for plasm farming groups to help those who dont have it.

[BorkBorkBork]

Oh good lord. Bite the bullet, play what you may not like to get plasm for a delve weapon. Improve your DD then you can fill one of those spots.

[Leatherman]

I don't know what jobs you are talking about but WHM, BRD, PLD, PUP, COR, GEO, RUN to name a few... These jobs don't need Delve weapons to compete. BRD always wanted and not too difficult to gear up. WHM just need refresh gear and some skills. COR doesn't need anything fancy, GEO as well. RUN is a parry tank but awesome for magic evasion. So I'm not sure what you are talking about. Level up a support job, everyone should.

[Zirael]

I don't have have R/M/E/D weapon, so I can't a dd spot for delve, I have bard and white mage leveled to 99, but I don't have full AF3 gears for white mage, or the Empy harp for bard, and have been turned down everytime I have tried to get in on a group with them, because it is easy to get players that have that. I don't have Corsair leveled, because I don't enjoy playing the job, I don't have a relic or empy shield, so that's a nogo for paladin, and that's about it, I haven't been able to get in on a single delve group yet, call it bad luck or whatever you want, but I am now just burning time in between FFXIV beta runs. I won't even think about resubbing once I can sub FFXIV, part is that is such a better game, but I could sub both if they were both fun, but XI isn't fun now thanks to the players. I got in on a merit party today killing worms in Abyssea, and the whole time some prick was going on and on about how even the ones that were killing worms were leeching because "those scrubs didn't have a delve weapon." The players of this game is the biggest reason I won't be resubbing, and I have a feeling that I am just one of many.

You can make your own run and choose to come whatever job you want to play. Also, since you know how hard it is for you, you could restrict entry to your group to only people who don't have R/M/E/D to help out other fellow players in similar situation to yours.

[raps1355]

I cant help but notice that anyone saying they cant get into delve because they cant go as DD or cant buy the KI for the wep because they wont make a shout for it.

I also noticed someone said their support jobs were getting turned away because they were missing abyssea gear but what i dont get is why people are jumping from pre abyssea gear to highest lvl delve and complaining that they wont be accepted?

Its not eliteism to request someone have the gear before the said event as thats how it was made by SE, it was not made for everyone at any stage of their characters development.

I also missed the KI's before the 20 min change over but i made shouts myself and have all 6 KI and no there was no ls or friends etc it was pure 17 random pick up groups outside of prime time's and yes some of those runs timed out but i tried again.

[Spectreman]

I see lots of people who are hoarding mutiple delve weapons here complaining that others should stay away from delve weapons unless they invest a lot of time to get a decent support job geared. Yes, because taking a whm, cor or brd with level 78 gear wont get you far and aiming for af3+2 set will take months in the game current state without linkshells to support this.

I know you guys got everything very easy and fast since you were there at day 1 but this kind of attitude only helps to widen the gap between you and those coming back or starting from scratch. When your LS mates start getting tired of having everything and quit the game you will find yourselves having a horrible hard time to get events done because there will be no players capable of replace them.

This selfish behavior can't be tolerated anymore in a game 11 years old with a much smaller community. Square Enix have to address this problem and stop this elitist behavior by making it necessary to have DD players without delve weapons to be able to experience delve and their rewards, even if in a slower pace.

[Demon6324236]

I see lots of people who are hoarding mutiple delve weapons here complaining that others should stay away from delve weapons unless they invest a lot of time to get a decent support job geared. Yes, because taking a whm, cor or brd with level 78 gear wont get you far and aiming for af3+2 set will take months in the game current state without linkshells to support this.

No one in any game should expect to go to an event with gear that is 20 levels behind and expect a party when there is easily obtainable gear out there which is much better. +2s are not as hard as you think, I assure you. 2 of my friends came back to the game about 3 months or so ago, 1 was WHM the other DRG, in about a month I took them from some +1 gear crossed with cheap AH gear and teal/perle into a well geared WHM with 450ish Enhancing and a DRG with a good TP and WS set. I spent about 2~3 hours a night with them, sometimes it was a bit longer, but the point being it took a month to completely redo their jobs and gear them well. What exactly do you think you need for a support job? So far as I understand, and correct me if I am wrong, most shouts expect a BRD to be able to March(+1~4 is fine), Ballad, have capped merits in Night/Troup, and have some magic accuracy gear maybe for landing sleep. COR needs to be able to roll, sleep, and that's about all that is required, some DD too which is awesome, but I have yet to see a group complain the COR was not DDing, instead most complaints I see are that the COR is not pulling, something you need no gear to do except maybe movement speed, but if you sleep pull, works just as well. WHM you just need the Cure Potency staff, Bokwus Gloves, and +2 Head, Body, and Legs, that puts you at 47% Cure Potency with +2Fresh, tons of MP power from legs, and the Cureskin bonus, Enhancing magic helps too along with some other stuff, but this is the basics you can easily get in a week or so if you shout for some groups or spend time soloing it.

I know you guys got everything very easy and fast since you were there at day 1 but this kind of attitude only helps to widen the gap between you and those coming back or starting from scratch. When your LS mates start getting tired of having everything and quit the game you will find yourselves having a horrible hard time to get events done because there will be no players capable of replace them.

I have had this happen, in fact I ask my LS for very little anymore cause it seems like most of them refuse to help with things, so I shout for what I need. Shouting almost always works, what it does not work for is often easy, Abyssea is one of those things, and even if it were not easy, I have met a few people in worm parties and such who are leveling jobs they need seals for soon or +2s, and then team up with them. A LS is not the only place to find help, there are many sources, if you look only to a linkshell for assistance then you will rob yourself of many opportunities.

This selfish behavior can't be tolerated anymore in a game 11 years old with a much smaller community. Square Enix have to address this problem and stop this elitist behavior by making it necessary to have DD players without delve weapons to be able to experience delve and their rewards, even if in a slower pace.

This type of requirement will do nothing for the kind of player you speak of, those same players will be forced to come support all the same. What makes you think if I shout for Delve and want 3WHM, 3BRD, and 3COR, that I would pick to have 1 of my 8 DDs be without a Delve weapon? Half my party is support jobs which I could care less what weapon they have, why would I not force them to come support if they do not have these weapons? Its a flawed idea, I said that already, this is one of the reasons, the other being like I said before, when everyone has one, or the great majority interested in them, what happens? Delve dies?

If you can explain things around these flaws be my guest.

[Secondplanet]

I am having this problem right now, between my wife (capped cure pot) myself almost all +2 emp gear we still can't get into a party cause everyone is demanding whm's to have Arise (currently selling for over 10mil) and for brd to have a emp 90+ harp we can't get a party cause they don't consider us "veterans".

The other problem coming out of this is that LS's are charging 30mil+ to join on runs to get your KI's. My wife and i have both been playing support jobs since 75 was still the cap and worked hard on these jobs and know them very well. But i guess that doesn't make us "veterans" and only having the best of the best counts as that.

[Limecat]

What they could do instead is have beagles flying around via propeller beanies that randomly swoop down into towns and drop those breakable crates. Whoever smashes one gets a random Delve boss KI.

[Hayward]

I'm sorry, but Mr. Matsui's going the wrong way as far as new content's concerned and the playerbase isn't helping the matter with these absurd requirements (Aegis/Ochain PLD, Daurdabla/Gyallarhorn BRD, delve weapons only for DPS jobs, etc.). I swear this game is intentionally being killed off by the developers with the unwitting assistance of the elitists.

Is it any wonder why there were under 1,000 players on my server two days ago?

[Demon6324236]

I am having this problem right now, between my wife (capped cure pot) myself almost all +2 emp gear we still can't get into a party cause everyone is demanding whm's to have Arise (currently selling for over 10mil) and for brd to have a emp 90+ harp we can't get a party cause they don't consider us "veterans".

I suppose Phoenix is one of the servers which don't do that, as I have never seen either of those requirements at all, and in all honesty, WHM having Arise should never matter except for a full boss run because unless you are doing that, no one should die anyways... The BRD thing I understand but at the same time its even more ridiculous than the problems for PLD, at least Ochain and Aegis make a large difference in performance, a 3rd song is awesome but not nearly as groundbreaking... In either case, the shouts are stupid, and I am against them all the same.

The other problem coming out of this is that LS's are charging 30mil+ to join on runs to get your KI's. My wife and i have both been playing support jobs since 75 was still the cap and worked hard on these jobs and know them very well. But i guess that doesn't make us "veterans" and only having the best of the best counts as that.

Its the same problem all jobs have though, playing a long time is something no one can tell, and even if you play a long time, you can still suck. The point I am trying to make here is that without seeing someone in action you can not say if they are good or not personally, and so gear is the next best thing to go by in most cases. I agree its stupid, but it is sadly how the player base is.

I'm sorry, but Mr. Matsui's going the wrong way as far as new content's concerned

I agree

the playerbase isn't helping the matter with these absurd requirements (Aegis/Ochain PLD, Daurdabla/Gyallarhorn BRD, delve weapons only for DPS jobs, etc.). I swear this game is intentionally being killed off by the developers with the unwitting assistance of the elitists.

I agree and disagree. As many people as there are which complain about the fact people shout for such specific things you would think those same people would have a few who make their own parties to relieve such a problem. I myself hate that so many people have those requirements, always have, but the simple fact is that people do it because they know they can, and will still fill their parties. We can complain all day that they do it, it will change nothing, and SE will not stop people from excluding others in their shouts, how would they? Make it ban worthy offence? Doubtful, they cant even ban people who put currency in their Bazaar for 10~100 times the normal price to rip others off, why would they stop exclusionary shouts for content?

Its said every time these kind of complaints are made, and it always sounds like the rude response, but it is a true response. If you do not like these kind of shouts, make your own, more open, shout groups, everyone like yourself will thank you for it. Even if your like me and hate making them, think of the good your doing for yourself and others like you, should make it worth it in the end I would think.