Abyssea + 1 seal system revamp/suggestions.

[Anjou]

How, or what would it break exactly?

It'd be a breaker -because- if it catered to both +1 and 2 items, there'd be no challenge. With +2 items you have to go after the big bosses, where with +1 you can get a little easier. The system is to make the SEAL hunting not as miserable as usual, because with +2 items you can get those easily while helping a friend with NM kills for things like their empyrean weapons. Besides, something giving +2 with only battle trophies would make the game too easy, and +2 shouldn't be as easy to get as +1 items, they need to be harder because it's the next step.

[Anjou]

Also to kinda put some more emphasis that this system would be helpful:

Last night, me Unpoper, Dookel, Chaosstrider and Ryuzan of Ragnarok all went to abyssea Misareaux to hunt Athamas and the Funeral Apkallu for some seals. Needless to say, all of that work fighting adds, getting pop items, waiting for Athamas to repop ONLY to see none of our desired seals drop was like a kick in the shin to me. It's frustrating for everyone to the point that a new system should be put in, otherwise people will continue to post complaints just like before

[detlef]

Don't farm a time spawn NM. You're level 99 now (probably). Your best bet is to spam the living daylights out of a popped NM.

[Anjou]

Of course, which is the best course of action for the higher-tier trophy instead of spamming the lower tier to work up the ladder. Because doing the math properly.

It takes 100 5th echelon trophies to get -1- 1st echelon trophy. Wouldn't it be so much easier to just kill a 1st echelon nm?

[Anjou]

Of course, which is the best course of action for the higher-tier trophy instead of spamming the lower tier to work up the ladder. Because doing the math properly.

It takes 100 5th echelon trophies to get -1- 1st echelon trophy. Wouldn't it be so much easier to just kill a 1st echelon nm?

I spaced out and didn't realize you were speaking of Athamas.

I didn't pick the nm, I was along for the ride :/

[Anjou]

As the system keeps getting more and more attention, I wonder what the devs think about it?

[Tarquine]

It'd be a breaker -because- if it catered to both +1 and 2 items, there'd be no challenge. With +2 items you have to go after the big bosses, where with +1 you can get a little easier. The system is to make the SEAL hunting not as miserable as usual, because with +2 items you can get those easily while helping a friend with NM kills for things like their empyrean weapons. Besides, something giving +2 with only battle trophies would make the game too easy, and +2 shouldn't be as easy to get as +1 items, they need to be harder because it's the next step.

I don't agree about the the +2's side being a game breaker. At least, not in the way i suggested earlier in the thread, because I am not trying to say trade trophies for +2s.

This is not a call to let the trophies be directly traded for +2s, but it is a call for the +1 Papers to be traded up for +2 Items, which is why I don't think it will be a game breaker.

You trade up trophies for “10 Iga Seal: Feet” – then use those 10 papers to trade up for 1 x “Coin of Voyage”. This would still make it far quicker to farm/kill the NMs which drop the +2s directly, but also makes it viable for people to slowly farm up +2 items solo (or easier).

By doing this it encourages those who already have +1s to help those who are still going for +1s. e.g :

Newbie PinkNinja (player A) makes a seal party looking for NIN +1s - while semi newbie +1WHM (Player B) is looking to complete his WHM +2s. (B) Joins (A) for two reasons:
1) to get trophies from NM to > +1 seals > for +2s.
2) getting bonus +1 seals to trade up to +2s.

Again, it is important to note that it will still be quicker and more efficient to go straight to the +2 NMs, but as we have established, it is not always easy to get people to help out the less experienced/geared!

[Anjou]

I don't agree about the the +2's side being a game breaker. At least, not in the way i suggested earlier in the thread, because I am not trying to say trade trophies for +2s.

This is not a call to let the trophies be directly traded for +2s, but it is a call for the +1 Papers to be traded up for +2 Items, which is why I don't think it will be a game breaker.

You trade up trophies for “10 Iga Seal: Feet” – then use those 10 papers to trade up for 1 x “Coin of Voyage”. This would still make it far quicker to farm/kill the NMs which drop the +2s directly, but also makes it viable for people to slowly farm up +2 items solo (or easier).

By doing this it encourages those who already have +1s to help those who are still going for +1s. e.g :

Newbie PinkNinja (player A) makes a seal party looking for NIN +1s - while semi newbie +1WHM (Player B) is looking to complete his WHM +2s. (B) Joins (A) for two reasons:
1) to get trophies from NM to > +1 seals > for +2s.
2) getting bonus +1 seals to trade up to +2s.

Again, it is important to note that it will still be quicker and more efficient to go straight to the +2 NMs, but as we have established, it is not always easy to get people to help out the less experienced/geared!

Hm...I think I see where you're getting at, then again I could work the system to where you have to collect/trade certain seals to get a certain +2 item, kinda like how the seals correspond with a certain job.

[Doctrine]

I don't agree about the the +2's side being a game breaker. At least, not in the way i suggested earlier in the thread, because I am not trying to say trade trophies for +2s.

This is not a call to let the trophies be directly traded for +2s, but it is a call for the +1 Papers to be traded up for +2 Items, which is why I don't think it will be a game breaker.

You trade up trophies for “10 Iga Seal: Feet” – then use those 10 papers to trade up for 1 x “Coin of Voyage”. This would still make it far quicker to farm/kill the NMs which drop the +2s directly, but also makes it viable for people to slowly farm up +2 items solo (or easier).

By doing this it encourages those who already have +1s to help those who are still going for +1s. e.g :

Newbie PinkNinja (player A) makes a seal party looking for NIN +1s - while semi newbie +1WHM (Player B) is looking to complete his WHM +2s. (B) Joins (A) for two reasons:
1) to get trophies from NM to > +1 seals > for +2s.
2) getting bonus +1 seals to trade up to +2s.

Again, it is important to note that it will still be quicker and more efficient to go straight to the +2 NMs, but as we have established, it is not always easy to get people to help out the less experienced/geared!

I might actually start playing again if they do this.

[Anjou]

I don't agree about the the +2's side being a game breaker. At least, not in the way i suggested earlier in the thread, because I am not trying to say trade trophies for +2s.

This is not a call to let the trophies be directly traded for +2s, but it is a call for the +1 Papers to be traded up for +2 Items, which is why I don't think it will be a game breaker.

You trade up trophies for “10 Iga Seal: Feet” – then use those 10 papers to trade up for 1 x “Coin of Voyage”. This would still make it far quicker to farm/kill the NMs which drop the +2s directly, but also makes it viable for people to slowly farm up +2 items solo (or easier).

By doing this it encourages those who already have +1s to help those who are still going for +1s. e.g :

Newbie PinkNinja (player A) makes a seal party looking for NIN +1s - while semi newbie +1WHM (Player B) is looking to complete his WHM +2s. (B) Joins (A) for two reasons:
1) to get trophies from NM to > +1 seals > for +2s.
2) getting bonus +1 seals to trade up to +2s.

Again, it is important to note that it will still be quicker and more efficient to go straight to the +2 NMs, but as we have established, it is not always easy to get people to help out the less experienced/geared!

After re-reading your comment and the stuff with it, I'm definitely in agreement with this, though each seal should correspond with a certain +2 item, at least to prevent people from abusing the system with trading easy to obtain seals for things like +2 body items