Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Zeitzone]

If this is the case, and there are more people who want to go back to the old way of playing than people who like easy exp, then I dont know what your problem is. If theres really this many, you should have no problem finding parties.

The truth is that you are factually wrong. In your little circle where you only talk to like minded people, you might be right. But we both know that the vast majority of players like the way abyssea is now. It is blatantly obvious, or we wouldnt be having this argument.

You dont consider level sync a problem, do you just close your eyes and refuse to see what is right in front of you? You claim that abyssea killed the low level gear market, this is false. The truth is that since level sync was introduced, the vast majority of people ONLY SYNC TO COLLIBRI. Collibri are not hard to kill, you dont need top of the line gear for them. And even if you did, thats only a select few levels where you need gear. Level sync killed crafting, NOT abyssea, how many times does this need to be posted for people to understand.

I havent even taken smn burning into account, you dont even need gear for that.

Gosh, do you even remember a Post i wrote before?
I already said i do not habe problems finding partyes.
I just dont want this free leeching in FFXI, becouse it is unfair to grinders who work and put in efforts for them sucesses.
so a grinder has a hard life in the game and is proud on it.
And then a leecher comes by with the same level becouse he just stood around and opened chests.
Thats not equity. A game needs to be same fair to all, and the game has been for grinders since it existed, and has been same fair.
Now there is a seperate leecherline and this doesnt fit in the whole.
Leechers already have WoW, Guild Wars and other games, why stealing the only good grinder game we got?

[Kazen]

why stealing the only good grinder game we got?

I think some Korean mmo's would like to have a word with you.

[Zeitzone]

As a crafter myself I agree with Ramsos. I made a massive profit on low level HQs until the introduction of Level Sync. I was making millions of gil on a weekly basis from Amemet Mantles+1 alone. After level sync was introduced the gear I crafted no longer sold on AH as it was no longer needed so I stopped making it. I now craft things like gobbie bag items for a modest 50k profit/synth just to pay for my consumables.

In short, stopping abyssea leeching will not and I repeat WILL NOT fix the AH problem you seem to think abyssea caused. I can say this with completely certainty that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Well Abyssea didnt make it better. So there still noting to craft for you.no Abyssea leech buys your crafted low level armors.

[Kazen]

Well Abyssea didnt make it better. So there still noting to craft for you.no Abyssea leech buys your crafted low level armors.

True abyssea didn't make it better but at the same time it didn't make it worse. So what you're arguing is completely futile.

[Zeitzone]

I think some Korean mmo's would like to have a word with you.

I dont think there is any good. Noone with Ingame scenes, tight story, very special sortiment of quests and houses you can get in. And that are the main points a grinder want beside exping.
Leechers only want graphic, shining gears and skilltrees.

[Ramsos]

Gosh, do you even remember a Post i wrote before?
I already said i do not habe problems finding partyes.
I just dont want this free leeching in FFXI, becouse it is unfair to grinders who work and put in efforts for them sucesses.
so a grinder has a hard life in the game and is proud on it.
And then a leecher comes by with the same level becouse he just stood around and opened chests.
Thats not equity. A game needs to be same fair to all, and the game has been for grinders since it existed, and has been same fair.
Now there is a seperate leecherline and this doesnt fit in the whole.
Leechers already have WoW, Guild Wars and other games, why stealing the only good grinder game we got?

So, because you have some masochistic love of horrid exp, you feel that everyone should be forced to do what you do. Leveling jobs should not be an accomplishment, it never was. Who cares how you leveled a job, as long as you had fun doing it. This is a game, this is not a job. You liked leveling the old way? Good for you, many of us did not. We suffered through it so we could experience endgame, we enjoy endgame more than fighting the same stupid mobs for hours on end. No one is stopping you from leveling the old way, as you said you have no problem getting parties for bad exp.

[Zeitzone]

True abyssea didn't make it better but at the same time it didn't make it worse. So what you're arguing is completely futile.

Sure it made it worse, in Abyssea noone level 30 buys gears, me as a grinder, i bought gears for my level even in synch, becouse other gears had bad status if they were synched down, gears on my synched level always had better stats.
If you want to fume fume on the equipment storage npc, becouse i got nearly any storagable existing gear storaged there.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

So, because you have some masochistic love of horrid exp, you feel that everyone should be forced to do what you do. Leveling jobs should not be an accomplishment, it never was. Who cares how you leveled a job, as long as you had fun doing it. This is a game, this is not a job. You liked leveling the old way? Good for you, many of us did not. We suffered through it so we could experience endgame, we enjoy endgame more than fighting the same stupid mobs for hours on end. No one is stopping you from leveling the old way, as you said you have no problem getting parties for bad exp.

again if SE changed it, you would not be going back to the "god awful horrible EXP" the change would be two fold (most likely) to lessen the blow, the cap would be raised and EXP outside would be adjusted again. You could get around 1k EXP a kill in a 6 man PT, then when you hit 70+ you can enter abyssea and level from 70-90 like you have been doing.

It would be a little slower then it is now, but not as slow as it used to be.

[Kazen]

Sure it made it worse, in Abyssea noone level 30 buys gears, me as a grinder, i bought gears for my level even in synch, becouse other gears had bad status if they were synched down, gears on my synched level always had better stats.
If you want to fume fume on the equipment storage npc, becouse i got nearly any storagable existing gear storaged there.

I'm not sure where you went to school but... 0 is still 0. None sold after level sync and none sold after abyssea. I'm not going to waste gil putting something on AH 5 times on the off chance some random dude like you decides to be different. It is a fact that level sync has killed low levels as everyone obtains exp at two different areas.

[Zeitzone]

So, because you have some masochistic love of horrid exp, you feel that everyone should be forced to do what you do. Leveling jobs should not be an accomplishment, it never was. Who cares how you leveled a job, as long as you had fun doing it. This is a game, this is not a job. You liked leveling the old way? Good for you, many of us did not. We suffered through it so we could experience endgame, we enjoy endgame more than fighting the same stupid mobs for hours on end. No one is stopping you from leveling the old way, as you said you have no problem getting parties for bad exp.

Every game has a basic how it works, and ffxi had a good grinder basic, and alot ppl acepted that and were satisfied with it.
Every game has a exp per kill per level basic.
Some game sgive more some less.
FFXI always had a good way of giving exp, but with the leeching it just gives too much exp.
Thats not playing anymore, thats just like you sit on the street, a guy passes by and press you 1000000 Dollar in your hand, you know you didnt deserve them, will you take them? Maybe the next thing happens is a policeman passes my and arrests you becouse he say that you have stolen that money.
I dont go play on Servers where i kill 1 Monster an am max level, and thats what Abyssea does.